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Who Actually Produces Dance Music/Who Claims To Produce But Doesn't (pg. 25)
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| trancesept |
lol mike and casey tearing up;;
the essence of making music comes from the creator's heart and soul, and if youve got someone else doing it for you and calling it your own... how do you explain of this? like everyone else said electronic music is very much established on the DIY roots and if thats not the case, then im ashamed to be a part of it; having slaved and sweated over my own stuff even trying to get it to a professional level
djs will be djs but REAL music producers know their . |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by PGGuy
Subtle..do you know Paul Oakenfold? Have you worked with him? I have a very close friend who has worked with him several times, and my information is from him.
PROOVES? What PROOVES? You have made one of the worst arguments I have ever heard. lol |
You have proven during the whole thread how little knowledge you have about all this, you have absolutely no credibility about what you are saying.
It is completely logically to assume that a producer who has been making music under various guises makes music for the love of it and not to back up an artist name.
You just keep on throwing out names into the wild saying "ive heard that this producer does not know how to produce"
Clearly you have done absolutely no research on this whatsoever, there are plenty interviews with producers and DJs talking about how things are done in the studio, looking up on discogs on various projects to see who is credited where etc etc.. |
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| PGGuy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
You have proven during the whole thread how little knowledge you have about all this, you have absolutely no credibility about what you are saying.
It is completely logically to assume that a producer who has been making music under various guises makes music for the love of it and not to back up an artist name.
You just keep on throwing out names into the wild saying "ive heard that this producer does not know how to produce"
Clearly you have done absolutely no research on this whatsoever, there are plenty interviews with producers and DJs talking about how things are done in the studio, looking up on discogs on various projects to see who is credited where etc etc.. |
Wildly? On the contrary. You don't know who I am, and you don't know who I speak with.
As for Paul Oakenfold, he is making music under various guises or aliases? Since when? He has paired up with guys who produce on other projects. I know a guy very well who has produced with a number of other producers, but he is really just the marketing guy, but doesn't produce. I do not want to reveal sources that could expose who I am, but there are certain things I definitely know. You, however, are making an argument based upon no logic.
"Clearly you have done absolutely no research on this whatsoever," Oh? Are we talking about Paul or anyone else I have mentioned in this thread?
Are you a producer? Are you in the trance music scene? |
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| Light The Fuse |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jason Jollins
My apologies in writing so much in this thread but I just have so much to say in regards to this topic, much more than I am even writing here :) The good thing for me is that I have already written a lot of this in a past interview so the copy and paste method is making this long post easy.
If you look at Rock, Hip Hop, Pop, Country, etc..., many of your favorite artists use producers and engineers to make the music that you love so much. Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake & Madonna for example use Engineers to make there tracks as well as writers to write (or to at least help write) there lyrics. This is how the music industry works.
Unfortunately, there is a lot of confusion amongst Electronic Dance Music fans worldwide who think that dj'ing and production is one in the same. And there is a very big difference between a person who produces music and one who actually dj's.
It's almost impossible (especially in today's age) to break through as a dj alone. Unless one of the top dj's take you under there wing and bring you up, the only real option to become globally known is through producing (making) great tracks. In turn, what you have are the worlds best producers touring the world as dj's, while the worlds best dj's are playing in there bedroom or in there local pub.
Of course in some cases an artist comes along who is a great Dj as well as a great producer, or is at least a great dj with a great production partner / engineer. Either way, it's much easier and much more accessible for someone to listen to a 7 minute track than it is for someone to listen to an 80 minute dj mix from a dj they never heard of before.
Using Deadmau5 as an example. He made great tracks and these tracks were played by many of the worlds most popular dj's spanning many different sub-genre's of EDM. Music fans saw Deadmau5's productions being tracklisted by there favorite DJ's and in turn he became very popular.
If Deadmau5 was not a producer and if he was a DJ, he could have made thousands of DJ Mixes and no one would have known his name. Afterall, a DJ mix is 60 - 80 minutes long, if you are going to download a DJ mix, chances are that you will download a DJ mix from one of your favorite DJ's rather than to download a DJ mix from a DJ you have never heard of before.
If you look at many of the top dj's in the world, you will see that they "initially" became known through there production work, not because they were great dj's. Name your favorite DJ, I'll tell you what track (s) made him / her famous.
With that said, before Ableton live came out, producers would get known through there productions but a lot of them would remain in the studio producing music rather than touring the world as a dj. The reason for this was because they were professional producers and aside from just playing tracks, they didn't have the experience or skills to be a professional DJ.
Now with programs like Ableton live, you see a lot of great producers who have never toured as dj's before now touring. The reason for this is because Ableton allows artists to put together a pre-programmed set (if they choose to). Because of this, you have "some" producers showing up to there shows with a laptop and a preprogrammed set where they just press the play button in ableton and pretend that they are actually doing something. And this is not a diss on Ableton DJ's because there are some who do great things with the program (DJ Sasha for example).
Now speaking as a clubber and a fan of the art of DJ'ing: I personally find it very discouraging when an artist shows up to a show and is jumping around pretending they are doing something when they are in fact just playing a pre-mixed set in ableton live. Everyone is being cheated in my opinion. It's equivalent to a singer who lip-syncs at a concert.
I feel that the art of dj'ing is dying. The reason for this is because there is no real way to compare dj's on a global scale.
In sports, you can clearly see who is the best in a particular sport. There is no denying that Tiger Woods is presently one of the best Golfers. Michael Jordan was without a doubt one of the best basketball players of his time. You could clearly see this by watching any basketball game for which he played.
Unfortunately, there is no real way to compare dj's. You can pick your favorite dj among the dj's that are touring to your city, but those are generally the same dj's that are touring every city in the world, and have been doing so for years. This is the reason why the same DJ's are constantly listed in the DJ Mag Top 100 year after year, because these are the only DJ's getting global exposure and the voting system is based on popularity and name recognition.
Many of the top dj's that are touring have in one way or another been a huge inspiration to me. They without a doubt deserve to be where they are and deserve the recognition that they have. Most of them are great dj's and they in one way or another helped to create, build, and contribute to the scene that we all have and love today.
But there are also so many great dj's in the world that are completely unknown, and unfortunately will never be known. And the reason why they will never be known is because they either aren't connected to the right people, they didn't make a big impact through dj'ing when being a great dj is all that was needed to become known, or they simply don't produce music.
To mention Deadmau5 again (who I can only assume will respond to what I am saying being that he does post here often), he is a perfect example of a great Producer who many EDM fans confuse with being a great DJ. After producing some great tracks, he was immediately voted into the 11th spot in last years DJ Mag top 100 DJ's list.
In a recent but not so recent interview Deadmau5 said the following:
“It puts me to ing sleep to be quite honest, I don’t really see the technical merit in playing two songs at the same speed together and it bores me to ing tears and hopefully with all due respect to the dj type that will ing go the way of the dinosaur id like them to dis-a-ing-pear. To say you become this massive up on a podium performer by playing other peoples productions at the same speed as someone else’s productions and fading between the two of them, I don’t get it.”
Case in point, the reason why Deadmau5 "doesn't get it" is because he is a producer and he does not understand the art of DJ'ing. DJ'ing is a very intricate skill and form of art, a great DJ certainly does not "just play tracks".
And I am not picking on Deadmau5 here because he is a great producer and he deserves a lot of respect for his accomplishments. However, he does make a perfect example for the DJ vs. Producer argument.
So to sum this all up...
The art of DJ'ing and the art of music Production are two entirely different things.
Many DJ's use engineers to help them produce tracks, this not only happens in EDM, but it happens in many other forms of music as well.
I do not see a problem with a DJ using an engineer to make tracks.
I do however see a problem with a Producer performing as a DJ and trying to push the EDM scene if they do not know how to compose a professional DJ set. By doing so they are only being selfish and they are hurting the art of this music as a whole on a global level.
There is absolutely no way to have a DJ rating system based on talent, it is all based on popularity, and popularity is based on which dj's have the most exposure on a global level.
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main point is awesome - the craft of djing is suffering because as you said with deadmau5 as an example and i have noticed this a fair bit in my time - many producers see djing as just mixing some tunes...and yeah generally if they are thinking that way - it makes for a dj - which is happening more and more.
now you should all go to school and have a listen to a phil k set :cool: |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by PGGuy
You don't know who I am, and you don't know who I speak with. |
Well, as long as nobody knows who you are or who you speak with we can only assume you're pulling these claims out of your ass.
I don't know how many times I've already said it in this thread but in order to be taken seriously one must have some kind of proof to back up their claims. |
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| PGGuy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Well, as long as nobody knows who you are or who you speak with we can only assume you're pulling these claims out of your ass.
I don't know how many times I've already said it in this thread but in order to be taken seriously one must have some kind of proof to back up their claims. |
Well, any artist who feels violated can defend him/herself. This is a discussion to attempt to dispel rumours. I have heard many times that Oakenfold doesn't produce. It is not like I am starting a rumour. I would love for Oakenfold to dispel the rumours. I figure if I have heard it from numerous people, it is already out in the public.
Interesting how several have replied "This is already out there." and "Everyone already knows this". |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by PGGuy
Well, any artist who feels violated can defend him/herself. This is a discussion to attempt to dispel rumours. I have heard many times that Oakenfold doesn't produce. It is not like I am starting a rumour. I would love for Oakenfold to dispel the rumours. I figure if I have heard it from numerous people, it is already out in the public.
Interesting how several have replied "This is already out there." and "Everyone already knows this". |
If a lot of people say it's true; it must be. Great logic.
Though I suppose if I were to say 'PGGuy is a complete and utter tool', everyone would agree with me and it would be the exception that proves the rule. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by PGGuy
As for Paul Oakenfold, he is making music under various guises or aliases? Since when? He has paired up with guys who produce on other projects. |
since 20 years ago.. notice the short reply, its me not wasting anymore time on your ignorance. |
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| Stassi |
| Honestly, why would A film production hire Paul Oakenfold to score a film when Oakenfold is merely passing the job off to his lackeys. If that were the case there would be thousands of other music producers who would get the job done much cheaper who don't carry the Oakenfold pricetag. Making films is all about saving money everywhere you can because so much money is spent above the line, on set and on prostitutes and cocaine for your main stars. |
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| Stassi |
| quote: | Originally posted by PGGuy
Wildly? On the contrary. You don't know who I am, and you don't know who I speak with.
As for Paul Oakenfold, he is making music under various guises or aliases? Since when? He has paired up with guys who produce on other projects. I know a guy very well who has produced with a number of other producers, but he is really just the marketing guy, but doesn't produce. I do not want to reveal sources that could expose who I am, but there are certain things I definitely know. You, however, are making an argument based upon no logic.
"Clearly you have done absolutely no research on this whatsoever," Oh? Are we talking about Paul or anyone else I have mentioned in this thread?
Are you a producer? Are you in the trance music scene? |
until you tell us who you are, stop wasting our time and throwing accusations around. Everything you've said is heresay, it doesn't pass in court and it won't pass on TA. |
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| Tosh |
Having a production team is common for EVERY SINGLE type of music ever played on any radio ever....
Why does it matter, and as far as them not knowing how to make a tune, that is also common. But if the artists didnt know how to make tracks they wouldnt be famous for it. |
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