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The TA Worst DJ Poll. (part 2) (pg. 10)
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| srussell0018 |
Lots of performers have to deal with things (women, family, finances) and still perform their job with the level of professionalism that is expected of them.
If there's something like that going on that you can't handle, then don't perform. When you're doing a service for a number of people like that, you simply cannot phone it in like that. Take time off and get your straight before you put on a half-assed performance.
That not only provides a ty night for those in attendance (fanboys aside), but also gives you a bad reputation.
I've never personally seen this guy spin, but I kind of liken S-J's points to professional athletes. Taking their contracts out of the picture for the moment, players who have a reputation as seemingly taking plays off, or taking entire games off for that matter, tend to not get re-signed. Granted, they are completely different professions, but it has seemed to be shown at least a few times in this thread that if you do ty work, there are often consequences. Yes, some of these athletes are forgiven for this because they also have the capability of greatness, but the real question is, if you are capable of greatness, don't you have the responsibility to always be great, or at least put forth your absolute best effort to be great?
Again, I've never heard this guy play, but from that video that was posted of him, that is utterly inexcusable. And yes, I said utterly. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by A.B
So please Jack. Drop it now eh? |
LOL you ing wish :haha: |
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| UWM |
| this never ceases to entertain me. carry on, ladies. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Comparing a DJ to a painter? Really? Is this how pretentious we're gonna get in this thread? Good lord..
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what is so special about a painter that they are above comparison to you? LOL
bizarre.
| quote: | Originally posted by someone
and likening a dj (any dj) to basquiat is really testing the elasticity of the word artist.
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lots of dj self loathing going on in this thread
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Originally posted by Sand Leaper
If I commission a work from an "artist", I'm in my full right to expect that artist to deliver to the best of his or her ability. If the painting then arrives too late for the exhibit because the artist forgot about the deadline despite repeated reminders, on a canvas that's been ripped and degraded because the artist didn't bother storing it properly, and it all clearly owes to him or her really not giving a about the institution it was for and the people who would visit that institution to go see it, I'd ask for my damn money back. |
yeah, but that's not what happened. System J just doesn't like the way he plays records and his music taste.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Your underlying point is very simple: we all have to do things for money even when we're feeling . Well, some of us. Depends on the nature of our job. But anyway, some of us have to turn up and do jobs even when we're feeling . We don't get to light a spliff and dance around a bit to make it easier, but still. Some of us have to turn up and do jobs. No matter how inefficient we're being, most of us have to get the basics right if we don't want our asses firing though, and trainwrecking definitely counts as failing the basics. But other than all that, your point definitely still stands! |
Yes, I will demand my money back any time a DJ does not show up with a tie and cufflinks and a macbook pro in an attache case. It's just not professional. Some of us have to show up to work in business clothing and do big professional business because we are professionals and we get paid damnit!
trainwrecks do not a worst DJ make. some of the best djs in history were wrecking every ing mix. sometimes theo even wrecks it on purpose to shift the energy. i've got him on record saying that.
from what I gather, SYSTEM J doesn't like Theo Parrish's raw and rough way of jamming records together, doesn't understand that the essence of his technique is selection, programming, and placement, and so he attributes this difference in mixing style to a 'half-assed' performance and assumes that because he doesn't do things the way SYSTEM J's favorite silky smooth prog deejays do, that he doesn't care about the performance.
this would be like criticizing john cage for giving a half assed performance because he made a piece of 4'33" of silence, or miles davis because he didn't play fast enough notes.
you guys are far too uptight. and you have a very limited and perhaps self-loathing concept of deejaying as an artform. and seriously, what is with the privilege you give to painters? maybe this is a cultural artifact of european haute culture salon art? masculine european privilege of the visual sense? i don't know, but it's weird. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bierheld
Like hiring some foreign DJ who you know plays music people at your venue aren't going to like much, and not warning him or instructing him on what to do. Or hiring someone that sucks at DJ'ing in he first place. that's misjudgement. |
Sigh. As I've already said, Parrish was not the victim of bad promoting. I wouldn't call anyone "Worst DJ" for simply being the victim of bad promoting, although good DJs can adapt to such challenges. I don't know what you've read in my posts to think the crowd was unreceptive to his music, or that it remotely mattered that he was foreign.
| quote: | Originally posted by A.B
And there is the problem right there.
You assume I was using YOU as a comparison.....
I never tried to compare YOU to Theo Parrish. Not once.
I never used or endeavoured to use any "analogy" of any kind so don't know why you seemed so concerned that I was. |
No, I didn't assume that. I was using myself as what we call "an example", to demonstrate why your meagre point was invalid. And if you don't understand that the following is an analogy:
| quote: | How many times have you been at work and thought " it - I can't be arsed with this"
Would you immediately turn round and tell your boss "I'm not digging work today. Please don't pay my wages" |
...then it makes perfect sense that you haven't understood anything else I've said to you either. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| come on guys, everyone knows the worst dj in the world is cedric gervais, followed very very closely by joachim guarraud. |
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
from what I gather, SYSTEM J doesn't like Theo Parrish's raw and rough way of jamming records together, doesn't understand that the essence of his technique is selection, programming, and placement, and so he attributes this difference in mixing style to a 'half-assed' performance and assumes that because he doesn't do things the way SYSTEM J's favorite silky smooth prog deejays do, that he doesn't care about the performance. |
That's a large part of the argument here: the same old 'track selection vs. technical aptitude' debate. There are points to be made for each, but imo there's no reason a professional DJ (and until he starts playing for free, he's a professional) should be consistently failing to beatmatch or, at least, creating some sort of continuity from track-to-track. If he can't do that, he's no better than the jukebox the grumpy cynics around here claim all DJs to be--a comparison with which you take great issue (and justifiably so).
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
trainwrecks do not a worst DJ make. some of the best djs in history were wrecking every ing mix. sometimes theo even wrecks it on purpose to shift the energy. i've got him on record saying that. |
That statement just reeks of immaturity on his part. That's what little kids say when they lose in sports. "I meant to do that"..."I didn't really care, anyway"..."I would have won if I actually tried." You're too smart to buy that as logical reasoning. |
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| enydo |
Great job!
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
from what I gather, SYSTEM J doesn't like Theo Parrish's raw and rough way of jamming records together, doesn't understand that the essence of his technique is selection, programming, and placement, and so he attributes this difference in mixing style to a 'half-assed' performance and assumes that because he doesn't do things the way SYSTEM J's favorite silky smooth prog deejays do, that he doesn't care about the performance. |
Yeah, the problem is not that a trainwreck is undanceable groove-ruining noise, it's that I'm close-minded, incapable of understanding advanced concepts like track selection and because I like prog. But of course, Theo Parrish bullted in an interview that he deliberately s up to "shift the energy" (perhaps he kept trying this particular tactic on the night because it didn't work the first few times) and you bought it into it like a good little fanboy. Oh, and he rapes the EQ knobs like a bedroom DJ who's just discovered kill switches and gets off on cutting the bass for four bars. Sophisticated, artistic DJing for sophisticated, sensitive listeners.
You're a ing caricature. |
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| enydo |
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| sg_57 |
The 'WORST' really means a lot... unlike some of the posts in this thread referencing people they don't like for one reason or another, but who are still very professional for the most part.
Someone already said it, but I was thinking Peter Hook's mime 'Air DJ' performance of working the EQs and fake-mixing with a DJ Mag mixed CD playing was actually pretty good, impersonation has its own set of challenges and he pulled it off pretty damn well. And had the balls to do it. So although I think he sucks for it, have to give him kudos for trying extra hard to make it seem believable, and from the looks of it the crowd was actually having a pretty good time, which is why he was getting paid.
Still, another part of me thinks that faking a DJ set could probably easily qualify for being called 'The WORST'.
The Theo Parrish thing is completely different. He represents a different era and sensibility, not the kind of Twitter-sized 140 character format most average McDJs with Ableton or some other programs push on their A.D.D. crowd (I know, I'm being cynical). After years of shallow, superficial, puffed-up hype tracks with no substance being played perfectly beat-mixed, is it any wonder that in the best tradition of Pavlov's conditioning many club-goers started feeling like this was the only way it was supposed to be?
How can anyone get mad at them, just because they've never been exposed to any alternative, and in the case of someone like Parrish, they wouldn't have the patience to wait for things to grow, develop, slowly, like foreplay and get somewhere. They want it immediately. NOW! :crazy:
There are some that - as he does - say that beat-mixing is very narrow, limiting, and actually prevents the DJ who really wants to use a wide musical canvas to be able to do so. But again, most people having been trained to accept that this is the norm, as with anything else in life there will be very few who actually make the effort to think for themselves, and let go of the notion that if it's not beat-mixed it's total crap. Clubs used to program a much wider variety of music, both in terms of styles and tempos. But that's a very long time ago.
When you think of it, while the mix is an artform it also curbs a lot of experimentation that can take place when a DJ wants to explore different, truly radical atmospheres and moods.
As I stated above, it could as well be argued that it's not so much about the DJs being bad, but more the crowd's lack of adventurous spirit which can make things seem as boring, predictable and dull as they sometimes can seem lately.
So for today, I'd say Peter Hook's fake performance was the worst, because it gives DJs a bad rep. |
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| Bierheld |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Sigh. As I've already said, Parrish was not the victim of bad promoting. I wouldn't call anyone "Worst DJ" for simply being the victim of bad promoting, although good DJs can adapt to such challenges. I don't know what you've read in my posts to think the crowd was unreceptive to his music, or that it remotely mattered that he was foreign.
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Yes, but I wasn't quoting you or implying that that is what happened to parrish's set, and if I did it was accidental. I believe you a 100% on that and i'm not trying to defend Parrish. Just using him as an example of sorts because the accusations have gone way out of hand.
Also, on the foreign issue, I'm guessing that a DJ who is local will have a better idea of what people like there then someone who lives in another country. |
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