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The TA Worst DJ Poll. (part 2) (pg. 16)
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| sg_57 |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Seriously though, who the is sg_57??? |
Is anything I said grating you? I wasn't trying to, just trying to point out the context in which we judge things. Is there anything odd with that? |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sg_57
Is anything I said grating you? I wasn't trying to, just trying to point out the context in which we judge things. Is there anything odd with that? |
You are truly an enigma. I think Eddie has cloned himself, erased the clone's memory, and dumbed it down a tad.
Eddie doesn't even know that sg_57 is his alt :eek:
On a serious note, yes. Your way of "pointing things out" comes off as overly condescending. Please educate us some more, though. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Beatmatching was invented by disco DJs.
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Yeah but I was at this club once, and the DJ just slammed "Jungle Fever" into "Disco Inferno" with no beatmatching or anything! It was so raw man, you probably just don't get it. |
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| sg_57 |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
You are truly an enigma. I think Eddie has cloned himself, erased the clone's memory, and dumbed it down a tad. Eddie doesn't even know that sg_57 is his alt :eek: |
Care to elaborate as to why you think this?
One thing I can tell you with regards to electronic music: I do try and maintain a little perspective but find it rather boring to limit myself to recent trends of what's considered cool. Electronic Music: Started auspiciously with a full-on riot between the audience and performers when Luigi Russolo and his cohort did their first 'Art Of Noise' concert in Italy around 1915.
Timelessness. That's a beautiful word. What appeals to human emotions beyond today's flavor.
Visionaries: Isn't it funny that some of those who inspired us the most sometimes reach acceptance long after they have passed? Like Delia Derbyshire, composing Techno rhythms out of tape loops in 1965, and only being acknowledged today?
What so enigmatic about anyone who would be after this, and who tries to maintain a bit of perspective on what it all represents? |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Beatmatching was invented by disco DJs.
And incidentally, almost all of these defences of Theo Parrish are identical to the ones made by trance fans defending the likes of Paul Oakenfold. |
i'm not defending Parish per se...more like playing devil's advocate. I've only seen Theo once, and it was pretty bad, at the same time some of my favourite records in my collection were made by the man.
Call it a "love hate" relationship. |
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| A.B |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Beatmatching was invented by disco DJs.
And incidentally, almost all of these defences of Theo Parrish are identical to the ones made by trance fans defending the likes of Paul Oakenfold. |
That's a fair point.
I've hear Oakenfold deliver some truly horrific transitions in his time.
He is still by far the most influential DJ I have ever heard (94 - 2000)and as such my all time favourite DJ.
If someone has truly connected with you though their music, a few faux pas (or even a lot) aren't really going to wilt your passion for their music surely?
Much in the same way that some people support football / baseball / basketball teams that loose near enough week in or week out.
They still support them because they are loyal.
Same is applicable here.
(Please don't start on the analogy nonsense again - it is what it is) |
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| A.B |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Disco influencing or even being sampled in current house music does not mean disco is coming back.
You see the same thing in a lot of different areas aside from music. Some fashions that were popular in the 70s, 80s, or whenever have become popular again recently. They're called fads. That doesn't mean that "they're back." |
Disco never went away though did it? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by sg_57
Visionaries: Isn't it funny that some of those who inspired us the most sometimes reach acceptance long after they have passed? Like Delia Derbyshire, composing Techno rhythms out of tape loops in 1965, and only being acknowledged today? |
I think you need to decide whether you think Parrish is a throw-back to a by-gone era or a visionary who's far ahead of the game, because you can't have your bull and eat it.
And seriously, you people need to stop making these comparisons between Parrish and high-brow institutions such as Picasso, Russolo and Cage. Especially if you're then going to pull the no-such-thing-as-high-art postmodernism when people call you pretentious. I don't see you comparing him to videogame developers or comic book artists in the spirit of postmodern cultural equality.
There's nothing special about Parrish's techniques that lesser minds can't "get". Do you think I've never heard a DJ play multiple genres before? Are you that patronising? De-emphasising technical mixing in favour of selection freedom is not a complex concept, and neither does it justify trainwrecks, ever. It's not even an unfamiliar practise, despite all this blather about Ableton DJs. There are so many funk, soul and disco nights near me where the DJs barely mix and just play tracks. And is there suddenly something esoteric or complex about 1970s disco and funk that renders them too difficult and demanding for the uneducated ear? It's not like the man plays difficult music. He certainly didn't when I saw him.
When you say people don't "get" Parrish, you don't mean they don't understand him. What you really mean is people don't like him. Put like that, most of the arguments in this thread become little more than tautologies. |
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| sg_57 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I think you need to decide whether you think Parrish is a throw-back to a by-gone era or a visionary who's far ahead of the game, because you can't have your bull and eat it.
And seriously, you people need to stop making these comparisons between Parrish and high-brow institutions such as Picasso, Russolo and Cage. Especially if you're then going to pull the no-such-thing-as-high-art postmodernism when people call you pretentious. I don't see you comparing him to videogame developers or comic book artists in the spirit of postmodern cultural equality.
There's nothing special about Parrish's techniques that lesser minds can't "get". Do you think I've never heard a DJ play multiple genres before? Are you that patronising? De-emphasising technical mixing in favour of selection freedom is not a complex concept, and neither does it justify trainwrecks, ever. It's not even an unfamiliar practise, despite all this blather about Ableton DJs. There are so many funk, soul and disco nights near me where the DJs barely mix and just play tracks. And is there suddenly something esoteric or complex about 1970s disco and funk that renders them too difficult and demanding for the uneducated ear? It's not like the man plays difficult music. He certainly didn't when I saw him.
When you say people don't "get" Parrish, you don't mean they don't understand him. What you really mean is people don't like him. Put like that, most of the arguments in this thread become little more than tautologies. |
Well I am just trying to point out that he seems to elicit mighty strong reactions. Most people who are just 'bad' no one cares to spill any ink about. So there's a relevance somewhere in there, even if it is just by opposition.
I didn't say that I enjoyed what he does all the time, but rather than being consistent, he's one of those who can have great and horrendous moments. It's a choice the listener makes, as to whether they are willing to take that chance with him or anyone else like that, but clearly (to me) there is a quest there. It would be so easy for anyone like him to play it on autopilot. Like it or not, I think that part should be acknowledged.
And for the record, some of those recent interviews he come off as a bit lost with regards to technology and all that.
Still, I wonder if I wouldn't prefer that some stay like he is, rather than the homogenized version I see dominating everything else. Software can be dangerous that way.
Besides James Zabiela, I am struggling to think of DJs who have made a lasting mark and forged a really unique, individual style using software tools. I am sure it will come, but it sure is taking time. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I think you need to decide whether you think Parrish is a throw-back to a by-gone era or a visionary who's far ahead of the game, because you can't have your bull and eat it. |
Yeah, actually I would say he's a bit of both in that he is carrying the lineage forward, and also to new crowds (the indie kids now like theo because of his LCD Soundsystem remix etc)
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
And seriously, you people need to stop making these comparisons between Parrish and high-brow institutions such as Picasso, Russolo and Cage. Especially if you're then going to pull the no-such-thing-as-high-art postmodernism when people call you pretentious. I don't see you comparing him to videogame developers or comic book artists in the spirit of postmodern cultural equality. |
Why isn't what Theo doing 'highbrow'? Is it because he's a black man?
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
There's nothing special about Parrish's techniques that lesser minds can't "get". |
I think you probably get it and just didn't feel his set that night, but a lot of others here can't wrap their heads around the idea that you don't have to beatmatch perfectly to play an awesome DJ set for people.
On a side note, why are we even talking about 'nu disco' in this thread? Theo plays a fraction of disco in his sets, and it's by and large only the real stuff, and mostly on the funkier and soulful tip. He's been doing this forever, and is completely independent from this whole martini nu disco nonsense that all the kids are touching themselves to today. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| James Zabiela represents the opposite to the extreme aka when messing with the music and mixing skills interrupt dancing. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I think you need to decide whether you think Parrish is a throw-back to a by-gone era or a visionary who's far ahead of the game, because you can't have your bull and eat it.
And seriously, you people need to stop making these comparisons between Parrish and high-brow institutions such as Picasso, Russolo and Cage. Especially if you're then going to pull the no-such-thing-as-high-art postmodernism when people call you pretentious. I don't see you comparing him to videogame developers or comic book artists in the spirit of postmodern cultural equality.
There's nothing special about Parrish's techniques that lesser minds can't "get". Do you think I've never heard a DJ play multiple genres before? Are you that patronising? De-emphasising technical mixing in favour of selection freedom is not a complex concept, and neither does it justify trainwrecks, ever. It's not even an unfamiliar practise, despite all this blather about Ableton DJs. There are so many funk, soul and disco nights near me where the DJs barely mix and just play tracks. And is there suddenly something esoteric or complex about 1970s disco and funk that renders them too difficult and demanding for the uneducated ear? It's not like the man plays difficult music. He certainly didn't when I saw him.
When you say people don't "get" Parrish, you don't mean they don't understand him. What you really mean is people don't like him. Put like that, most of the arguments in this thread become little more than tautologies. |
B-b-but, it's Theo! Everybody knows what they're getting when they pay for him!
Sorry, nerfardec isn't around so I had to step in. When you hire deadmau5, you know you're getting a douchebag with a giant mousehead on; that doesn't make it okay.
Since when did being an old-timer or playing particularly good music excuse one from mixing properly? There are plenty of DJs who manage to do both. I don't see why a veteran who's had two decades of practice shouldn't be able to manage such a simple technical task. I think it comes down to nefardec's idea that this kind of performance is somehow more genuine, rather than being modern and polished.
edit: oops, he's still here, lulz. |
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