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2012.06.08-2012.06.10 [LV] Insomniac presents// Electric Daisy Carnival (pg. 75)
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| Tosh |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
YOu seem to think i'm arrogant. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i'm really just much better than most of you in every single way. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney I mean i have a ing degree in classical music composition.
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| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Now being arrogant doesn't make you a douche bag. That would entail a bunch of characteristics with the way you compose yourself and your threads being the overriding determinant. |
All very well said, you are not a douche!! |
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| jonmitz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tosh
All very well said, you are not a douche!! |
i was gunna do this, glad you did! :haha: |
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| jonmitz |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjWoody
"Las Vegas police, who did not make the death public."
Sounds like it.
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it's been said before, but suicides are not made public/publicized unless it is a celebrity
they do this because if you are reporting on suicides (you might be surprised how many there are), it gives people who are "on the edge" (so to speak) the 'courage' (I wouldn't use this word but it's common in the discourse) to commit suicide themselves. So all in all, it's a bad idea for the general health of your population to give much press (hard on the family, hard on the friends, bad if others follow, etc etc)
There are LOTS of acts that the police cover up, this is not one of them :) |
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| DjWoody |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonmitz
it's been said before, but suicides are not made public/publicized unless it is a celebrity
they do this because if you are reporting on suicides (you might be surprised how many there are), it gives people who are "on the edge" (so to speak) the 'courage' (I wouldn't use this word but it's common in the discourse) to commit suicide themselves. So all in all, it's a bad idea for the general health of your population to give much press (hard on the family, hard on the friends, bad if others follow, etc etc)
There are LOTS of acts that the police cover up, this is not one of them :) |
Ah. I didn't know police didn't make suicides public. |
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| drEamer |
| so they guy who got hit by the car died also...wow.....surprised that EXACTLY guy didnt die.....if u saw the video, u know what im talking about |
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| jonmitz |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjWoody
Ah. I didn't know police didn't make suicides public. |
it's okay, most people dont. i didnt until a few weeks ago myself :sadgreen:
one of those things you would think they do but they dont (at least they have a reason, though, unlike most the the police in america pull...) |
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| Nerologic |
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| msilin |
yeah, i agree with what people said before - i dont see ANY grounds to sue EDC at all. she wasn't underage (That's how they got them in the LA case) and she wasn't even at the event. Security let her leave, sure, but I highly doubt she was a danger to herself when she left the event, especially considering that her friends let her go by herself (her friends are dumb but I'm giving them a LITTLE credit here - if she was suicidal at the time, I doubt they would have sent her by herself).
So yeah, the parents must be surprised, but at the end of the day, ur daughter goes to a giant music festival... what do you expect? even at woodstock people were on all sorts of subtances. It doesn't have to be EDM by any means, people do crazy drugs at coachella and all the other festivals without EDM. if she was on anti-depressants, MDMA/amphetamine can really cause some bad reactions and that may have happened here.
My point is, anyway, that the parents have no one to blame here besides the friends who let her go home by herself in that state. She probably would have been okay if someone was with her to calm her down and stop her from climbing out that window. Those friends are essentially all going to have a tough time getting over something like this. I couldn't imagine having this on my conscience. Such a horrible story.
Now let me bring up a new point that I've been thinking about for the past few days. There were police all over EDC, and a 5 year old probably could have figured out that most people there were on MDMA. So: does the police essentially have a conversation before the event where they agree not to bust anyone unless they're out of control? How does that work exactly? Because Insomniac is essentially allowed to have this event and with those "pat-downs" getting drugs in isn't made too difficult. So how is that arranged exactly? |
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| jonmitz |
| quote: | Originally posted by msilin
Now let me bring up a new point that I've been thinking about for the past few days. There were police all over EDC, and a 5 year old probably could have figured out that most people there were on MDMA. So: does the police essentially have a conversation before the event where they agree not to bust anyone unless they're out of control? How does that work exactly? Because Insomniac is essentially allowed to have this event and with those "pat-downs" getting drugs in isn't made too difficult. So how is that arranged exactly? |
it seems like they just bust people selling. its nearly impossible to catch someone between the process of pulling drugs out of your pocket/purse/whatever and into your mouth.
in addition, it's not illegal just to be intoxicated (unless you are driving) - even if it was (and i may be incorrect) in the end of the day, good luck proving someone was intoxicated in court without any proof. "subject had dilated eyes" wont stand up in court for a felony drug charge. besides, if they went around arresting 80% of the attendance for suspicion of being high you would get riots and lawsuits and such.
I did read that they made several arrests. I believe the number, in total, was less than 200. They were probably people who were going around selling drugs blatantly (I saw quite a few)
law enforcement know MDMA is essentially* harmless. they know people are friendly and dont cause problems on it. the same can be said for most psychedelics (not including things like 4-Bromofuro, but i highly doubt anyone that goes to EDC has access to that type of drug).
i'm willing to bet they care more about alcohol and people getting wasted and causing problems.
anecdotal, but i've never seen anyone on a psychedelic or MDMA/MDA/other analogue, ever cause a problem. I can't even count with all my toes and fingers how many times I've seen alcohol cause problems.
sorry i didnt really answer your question...
*safe dosage, safe frequency of use, etc, assumed |
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| jonmitz |
more anecdotes: i've seen posts on reddit from purported police officers who say they think MDMA should be legal.
also the cops at EDC were amazing. smiling, helpful, etc. wish more cops were like they are :) |
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| iLLiE586 |
MDMA isn't the problem, the problem is the majority of it isn't just MDMA. I know back a few years ago the would get cut with mescaline all the time, and I can see that giving someone a bad trip and throwing themselves out of a window. MDMA I can't see flipping out though, it doesn't really alter your mind that way.
I just stick to my alcohol. I have just as much fun drunk, and I know exactly what I am getting into every single time I drink. I know so many people that were drug "pros" and still got whack and took a dirt nap. No thanks. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
death certificates are public record. Police don't ever want to release any public statements regarding deaths as it makes them look bad no matter what They realize that the press has access to death certificates. In fact anyone has access to them. They are public. They make statements when the press ask.
Anyone can be sued. And when it is a civil trial, i t would not be very hard if the facts lean on the side that everyone knew she was not in control but let her go alone. Security's job is to keep people safe. Knowing that you are letting someone that is not in control of their actions in public without notifying anyone introduces an element of negligence. The ticket includes the service of security, I can pretty much guarantee any security company of that size will have in writing procedures to follow one being to make sure people that are not well are not put alone in a ing taxi. |
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