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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
An F-150 truck is what makes 17sss happy, that's why he bought. You have no right to deprive him of that right, neither does government. By the way, what country do you currently reside in, I'm just curious.
Anytime anyone goes out on the road, they take the risk of getting into a car accident. I'd like to see the statistic that says F-150 trucks or trucks like it are any more dangerous than any other vehicle in the number of road deaths involved. |
Okay, well killing people makes me happy. Should I be allowed to pursue that?
No?
Why not?
Because it impinges on others' rights! The right to live!
Well, didn't we just cover that five posts ago? That driving a big car affects other people too? It's not a carefree activity that you can do guilt-free. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
Okay, well killing people makes me happy. Should I be allowed to pursue that?
No?
Why not?
Because it impinges on others' rights! The right to live!
Well, didn't we just cover that five posts ago? That driving a big car affects other people too? It's not a carefree activity that you can do guilt-free. |
join the army something cool like infantry you'll get to kill for sure |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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the declaration of independence is a fancy speech and is not a binding legal document in regards to the rights of the populace. i could give you a bajillion examples of where modern US law completely contradicts the declaration. then there's the fact that just because you claim something in law doesn't mean you have a "right" to anything. i could buy myself an island and put rape and sodomy as rights in my new country's constitution. meaningless.
what you should really be doing is making logical deductions re rights, rather than pointing to a document that supposedly gives them.
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
why do you guys care so much, pkc start smokin weed again. i liked beat blog better too |
i never manage to stop for more than a week ;) and i dont really care that much. but like domesticated, i resent what i see as selfish feelings of entitlement embodied in US capitalism.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
PKC, the US isn't the only one who drives cars. In fact, China is now the number 1 carbon emitter. Not making excuses, but global climate change isn't going result in us outlawing cars. |
and china isn't making massive SUVs with 5 litre engines when something half the size would more than suffice.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Actually, yes he does. Everyone has a right to pursue their happiness, so long as no one else's rights are violated. |
why do you keep repeating this kind of academic nonsense? I could give you examples of many peoples in the world that do not share such freedoms, saying that his rights are absolute, or exist in some kind of vacuum doesn't make any sense. If they exist in the US but not elsewhere then they hardly exist at all. Saying that people have said rights irrespective of their outcomes for everyone else in the world is just typical yankee myopia.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
And those pacific islanders you are talking about. They also emit carbon, so they aren't off the hook either. The argument is invalid. |
Utter nonsense. There is nothing about islander lifestyles that would have contributed to climate change in any meaningful way, when compared to other nations. Without massive capitalist economies, such nations would have been able to exist ad-nauseum without any climate issues whatsoever (besides natural issues obviously). Historically, its been all the big powers (mostly western) that are responsible for it. You know, because people want to exercise their "right" to use gaz-guzzling monster cars. Americans are the biggest per capita polluters on the planet, take some ing responsibility for crying out loud. Taking responsibility doesn't mean blaming yourself, but don't make disingenuous bull arguments about how pacific islanders are polluters too so they are equally culpible as the rest of us. That's a ing joke. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Actually, yes he does. Everyone has a right to pursue their happiness, so long as no one else's rights are violated. And those pacific islanders you are talking about. They also emit carbon, so they aren't off the hook either. The argument is invalid. |
*fist bump*... thanks for backing me up, Krypt.
Domesticated- Driving small cars negatively effects people to... those who drive them and increase their own safety risk on the road!
"Safety could suffer if we make cars smaller to increase gas mileage"
USA Today article from 2 weeks ago! http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos...mall-cars_N.htm
This argument is unreal. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
*fist bump*... thanks for backing me up, Krypt.
Domesticated- Driving small cars negatively effects people to... those who drive them and increase their own safety risk on the road!
"Safety could suffer if we make cars smaller to increase gas mileage"
USA Today article from 2 weeks ago! http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos...mall-cars_N.htm
This argument is unreal. |
what a load of horse. other nations have been making smaller cars with smaller engines for decades, and we seem to be doing ok. its big massive cars that are the dangers on the road.
jesus, the crap you guys will swallow :stongue: the US isn't one of the greatest innovative nations the world has ever seen or anything. they'd never be able to make a safe smaller car like every other comparable country. seriously guys, you have issues. |
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| elFreak |
i think you should be allowed to buy any car that is legally allowed to be driven on the road.(laws are laws)
that being said
If you do not use this sucker for a legitimate reason (like you need it to lug around stuff for a construction job and such) and only to get from point a to point b...then you are somewhat of an idiot that is impacting the future rights of your children and the inevitable energy crisis/environmental issues that they will most likely have in their lifetime when you are planted in the ground.
i fucking hate hippies, but i did not shave my vagina this month, ate some kashii and firmly believe that using up as much fuel as possible for no reason other than personal luxury is the same as the old adage of big car, small cock.
either way enjoy it now, because your government will regulate fuel consumption (aka mpg) of newly produced vehicles eventually, and then you will be forced to do what they did in the 1800's to make their penis feel bigger, and that is buy a shiny pimp cane with a huge gemstone on the tip and some white mickey mouse gloves. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
*fist bump*... thanks for backing me up, Krypt.
Domesticated- Driving small cars negatively effects people to... those who drive them and increase their own safety risk on the road!
"Safety could suffer if we make cars smaller to increase gas mileage"
USA Today article from 2 weeks ago! http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos...mall-cars_N.htm
This argument is unreal. |
Yes, that is the case, but ONLY because other people are driving big cars. It's the big cars causing the deaths. Take them away and you have far less problems.
Your argument is akin to saying: "Domesticated - not owning a gun negatively effects [sic] people to [sic]...those who walk around without them and increase their chances of getting shot!"
Also:
Both cars were crashed at 40 miles per hour. Which came off worst?
On the left is the " box" Mini Cooper, and on the right is your "safe" and "strong" F-150, though it's pretty hard to recognise, isn't it? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
and china isn't making massive SUVs with 5 litre engines when something half the size would more than suffice. |
Frankly, who cares what China makes?
| quote: | | why do you keep repeating this kind of academic nonsense? I could give you examples of many peoples in the world that do not share such freedoms, saying that his rights are absolute, or exist in some kind of vacuum doesn't make any sense. If they exist in the US but not elsewhere then they hardly exist at all. Saying that people have said rights irrespective of their outcomes for everyone else in the world is just typical yankee myopia. |
Academic nonsense? lol. This is how every society should operate, and really, this is the philosophy behind our constitution. Instances in which these ideals are not adhered to does not in any way invalidate them.
| quote: | | Utter nonsense. There is nothing about islander lifestyles that would have contributed to climate change in any meaningful way, when compared to other nations. Without massive capitalist economies, such nations would have been able to exist ad-nauseum without any climate issues whatsoever (besides natural issues obviously). Historically, its been all the big powers (mostly western) that are responsible for it. You know, because people want to exercise their "right" to use gaz-guzzling monster cars. Americans are the biggest per capita polluters on the planet, take some ing responsibility for crying out loud. Taking responsibility doesn't mean blaming yourself, but don't make disingenuous bull arguments about how pacific islanders are polluters too so they are equally culpible as the rest of us. That's a ing joke. |
I think linking ownership of pickup trucks to Pacific islanders is retarded at best. Simply from the fact that cars aren't even the #1 emitter of carbon. Hey I'v got an idea. Why don't we just stop all industrial activity? I'm sure the Pacific islanders will be good after that. |
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| elFreak |
it makes me that much happier that your dollar is tanking more every day, and the inevitable inflation will make you all drive kias.:p
i have nothing against america, but re reading the post on here do hate a lot of american attitudes.
*grins at the rubble* |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Frankly, who cares what China makes? |
youre the one that brought them up.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Academic nonsense? lol. This is how every society should operate, and really, this is the philosophy behind our constitution. Instances in which these ideals are not adhered to does not in any way invalidate them. |
yeah, and we all know that your constitution is more important than everyone else in other countries. who cares how your activities affect other people, if its protected by your constitution then it must be right!
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
I think linking ownership of pickup trucks to Pacific islanders is retarded at best. Simply from the fact that cars aren't even the #1 emitter of carbon. |
ugh. its an emblem of western greed you fool. i never said it was the biggest contributor, but it IS a contributor that could be greatly lessened if you and other idiots would look past irrlevant notions like inalienable property rights :rolleyes:
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Hey I'v got an idea. Why don't we just stop all industrial activity? I'm sure the Pacific islanders will be good after that. |
ive got a better idea. how about you come back here when you actually understand the conversation at hand? |
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| Domesticated |
Also, I haven’t bothered to bring it up yet because I wanted to discuss the core issues to my satisfaction first, but:
Your claims that small cars are “lawn mowers”, “golf carts” or “ boxes” are quite amusing. In line with this, you also say that your car is “roomy” and “comfortable” and makes driving more pleasurable.
Pretty much every person I know who has spent any amount of time driving a small or medium-sized car (whether it is sports, hatch or sedan) admits that they are better. The exception to this is women, who seem to have some kind of fetish for high driving positions. Your ignorant claims lead me to believe you have never driven a small car for an extended period. A large car such as your own takes more force to turn the steering wheel and more force to push the accelerator and brake pedal down. You are also pushing the accelerator down more often, because the weight of the car means it requires more constant motor interaction. If you’re doing a long drive, there is a lot of extra effort just there. Small cars are easy to turn, easy to brake, and generally accelerate more quickly. They are physically easier to drive and decrease driver fatigue over a long time.
Additionally, your car may have more room, but again, it’s more than you need. I am 6 foot tall and I drive a Golf comfortably: my seat does not even go the whole way back and I sit a long distance from the wheel comparative to my height. People of 6’2” would easily be able to drive it without any space issues, and mine is a “small” car. Move up to a medium car and you have plenty of space. Only people over about 6’5” have a legitimate claim for needing more room than the average car can provide.
On the “comfort” thing, you’re driving something marketed as a truck. It has suspension, crappy seats made for hick farmers, a poor-quality climate control system and a woeful stereo. Even a low quality hatchback can beat your car in most of these areas. Your car is also noisy because of the ridiculous engine. Hmmm, I bet that really adds to comfort levels when you’re driving.
Also, I just looked up the stats of the F-150, and if you’re driving the 4.2LV6 base model, my “ box” Golf has 6 more kW of engine power than your car, and weighs about a 60% less. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
Your claims that small cars are “lawn mowers”, “golf carts” or “ boxes” are quite amusing. In line with this, you also say that your car is “roomy” and “comfortable” and makes driving more pleasurable. |
which just translates to american entitlement, which was your original position. well said. |
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