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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
You also didn't answer my question. |
Yes I did. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Uh, the fact that health care is viewed as the government's responsibility? |
Which is a very sad thing.
| quote: | | Oh yea? The insurance companies, doctors, and drug companies are controlled by the government? Bull. |
If this is your honest view, I won't waste my time explaining. You really do need to do a ton of homework if you honestly believe it is "bull." |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Yes I did. |
No you didn't. I asked you how the government get's the funding to take care of health care and you answered with the name of a few countries. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Which is a very sad thing. |
Not really. What's sad is we spend trillions on war but I can't get a damn x ray without being in debt for the next 10 years.
| quote: | | If this is your honest view, I won't waste my time explaining. You really do need to do a ton of homework if you honestly believe it is "bull." |
I'll ask you waht I asked gehz. Who company is the gov't a majority shareholder in? And if you'r going to say, it's all the regulations. I'm going to ask you which one, and so what? The financial sector is also heavily regulated. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Not really. What's sad is we spend trillions on war but I can't get a damn x ray without being in debt for the next 10 years. |
Again, you don't seem to understand why it costs so much. I've already told you why and you still believe that it is the governments responsibility to take care of you. It's not. If you leave it up to them, though, you get the current situation you are in. A very expensive, costly medical system, in which you also receive poor service, if any. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
pKC, you really gotta just quit on the healthcare. Name another country that has 300m+ people, that has a better healthcare system. |
the number of people in the country is irrelevant. a sustainable healthcare system doesn't become exponentially harder just because there are more people; there are simply more people which can help pay for it, or help structure it, or help doctor it etc. the number of people in the US is the last concern of an adequate healthcare system.
i mean, do you really think the expense of healthcare in the US comes from your population??
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
No one can afford public health care BECAUSE of government intervention. If it was kept private, doctors and people who make medicines would have to compete with each other, just like any other business who makes a good or service for a consumer, to keep the products at a lower cost and of quality to keep the consumer coming back. The government, dictating price, quality, consumption, etc. only gets in the way of keeping the prices and quality of service very low. It's very basic economics and the government does a very great job of keeping these simples facts out of the public eye or public thought. If you want lower costs and better care, it needs to be taken care of by the private sector. |
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sorry, that's too funny. |
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| Nostalgic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Not really. What's sad is we spend trillions on war but I can't get a damn x ray without being in debt for the next 10 years.
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Two x-rays I got for both my ankle and neck was a whopping 30 dollars. Flat broke I tell ya. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
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sorry, that's too funny. |
Well, go ahead. Tell me why.
I'd love to debate you on this. :) |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Again, you don't seem to understand why it costs so much. I've already told you why and you still believe that it is the governments responsibility to take care of you. It's not. If you leave it up to them, though, you get the current situation you are in. A very expensive, costly medical system, in which you also receive poor service, if any. |
Point me to a successful, cheap, unregulated, private health care system in which no one is denied service.
And I don't believe the government has a responsibility to "take care of me"..:rolleyes:..the government has a responsibility to increase the productivity of its economy and one HUGE factor in that is health care. Not to mention, my belief that every one has a right to life, and in my view, that includes health. The government does have a responsibility to provide essential services. Garbage, infrastructure, etc. I would say health care should be the number 1 essential service. Instead of engaging in endless wars and occupations which cost more than $1 trillion, perhaps, my government can focus on its people instead of some third world hole. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Well, go ahead. Tell me why.
I'd love to debate you on this. :) |
firstly, the government doesn't dictate prices; such prices are achieved within your "competitive" environment. yes, there are certain government initiatives that haven't helped the situation, but they are hardly the cause of ballooning costs and massive massive profit margins of the providers of healthcare.
capitalism simply does not lend itself well to certain situations; the provision of adequate healthcare is simply one of them.
dont take my word for it, knock yourself out:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...ndamerica/view/ |
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| Sunsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nostalgic
Two x-rays I got for both my ankle and neck was a whopping 30 dollars. Flat broke I tell ya. |
I have health insurance and a CT scan and nuclear medicine thing cost me for a $600 deductible |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Point me to a successful, cheap, unregulated, private health care system in which no one is denied service. |
I don't believe there are any today because every country has become dependent on their government to take care of them and socialize their medical system.
| quote: | | And I don't believe the government has a responsibility to "take care of me"..:rolleyes:..the government has a responsibility to increase the productivity of its economy and one HUGE factor in that is health care. |
But there is where you are wrong. The economy is driven by the consumer, not the government. Every time the government steps in and dictates where the money should go and how the economy should be ran, it creates bubbles. Look at every single depression or recession this country has been in. All of them were created by government intervention into the market place.
| quote: | | Not to mention, my belief that every one has a right to life, and in my view, that includes health. |
And you lose these rights when you allow a central planner to dictate what is best for you and how/where your money should be spent.
| quote: | | The government does have a responsibility to provide essential services. Garbage, infrastructure, etc. I would say health care should be the number 1 essential service. Instead of engaging in endless wars and occupations which cost more than $1 trillion, perhaps, my government can focus on its people instead of some third world hole. |
Again, you are wrong. The private sector should be taking care of this. The private sector should be competing for the job to take care of these services with each other to make sure that prices are low and that quality is much higher. This can only happen through competition and not by allowing a monopoly on the system, which gets created by central planning/government intervention. |
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