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| elFreak |
i find it so funny that i can buy prescriptions that are manufactured in the united states for less than half of the price americans pay for it.
private companies are not bleeding the american dry at all, and they should keep everything private and leave government regulations out of it.. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Look at every single recession or depression that has been caused in our economy! All created by government intervention into the market place and the spreading of our wealth. |
i just wanted to laugh at this again
:stongue: :haha: :stongue: :haha: :stongue: :haha: :stongue: :haha:
some people are so trapped by their own ideology. its pretty sad. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Your ignorance is astounding. But I shall settle on agreeing to disagree.
Have a good night! |
At least I'm not a delusional anarchist. Good day. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
No one has taken me up on my challenge. FIND A COUNTRY WITH 300M+ PEOPLE THAT HAS A GOOD SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. You won't. |
Considering only China and India fit that population stipulation and both are still very much in the throes of political and economic transition, you've really stacked the deck in your own favor there, eh? Nicely done.
This thread gives me a headache. It's amazing to me that people like the17sss throw out the Bush defense that "everyone can get healthcare if they need it, it's called the emergency room." It's simply astounding. You're going to post a link to a blog with "over 100 horror stories about socialized medicine?" Too bad the 47 MILLION Americans without health insurance haven't started a collective blog about the horrors of the American health care system that I can link you to... but then again, that would be outside your political template of beliefs, eh?
Also, I'd love someone to at least once address the fact that the government-run "bureaucratic" Medicare system has less than half the administrative costs of privately-run insurance providers. Talk about inflated costs and expanding budgets! |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i just wanted to laugh at this again
:stongue: :haha: :stongue: :haha: :stongue: :haha: :stongue: :haha:
some people are so trapped by their own ideology. its pretty sad. |
Ideology or delusion? |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Considering only China and India fit that population stipulation and both are still very much in the throes of political and economic transition, you've really stacked the deck in your own favor there, eh? Nicely done.
This thread gives me a headache. It's amazing to me that people like the17sss throw out the Bush defense that "everyone can get healthcare if they need it, it's called the emergency room." It's simply astounding. You're going to post a link to a blog with "over 100 horror stories about socialized medicine?" Too bad the 47 MILLION Americans without health insurance haven't started a collective blog about the horrors of the American health care system that I can link you to... but then again, that would be outside your political template of beliefs, eh?
Also, I'd love someone to at least once address the fact that the government-run "bureaucratic" Medicare system has less than half the administrative costs of privately-run insurance providers. Talk about inflated costs and expanding budgets! |
officially my favourite african zulu warrior ever. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
Another con of the American system? Recessions make it even worse.
| quote: | | The number of uninsured Americans is projected to increase by at least 6.9 million by 2010 — meaning 19.2 percent of nonelderly Americans would be uninsured. This is an increase of 2.0 percentage points from 2007, say Todd Gilmer and Richard Kronick of the University of California, San Diego, in a paper published May 28 on the Health Affairs Web site [2-week free access]. Gilmer and Kronick estimate that the number of uninsured Americans will reach 52 million in 2010. |
http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/...ricans-by-2010/
edit: show me another country with 300+ million people that has 20% without access to health care.
hint: not China -
| quote: | China wants to have more than 90 percent of its population covered by some sort of basic medical insurance by 2011.
Three different insurance programs already exist for urban employees, unemployed urban residents and rural residents, into which governments, employers, and individuals contribute.
More than 200 million urban workers, 100 million urban residents and some 800 million rural residents have already joined the three programs respectively, according to the Development Research Center under the State Council. |
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/07/content_11141889.htm
But you know what the real kicker is?
| quote: | | According to the 2007 World Health Statistics, available on the ministry website, government and private expenditures on the health sector in China were respectively 38 percent and 62 percent in 2004, compared with 54.1 percent and 45.9 percent in Brazil, 17.3 percent and 82.7 percent in India, 86.3 percent and 13.7 percent in Britain, and 44.7 percent and 55.3 percent in the United States. |
Our "ideal" government contribution to healthcare mimics what is actually happening in India(!) where over 700 million (!!!) people have NO access to health care whatsoever! And even China seems to realize that their current government contribution is too low to grant access to the entire population, and has upped coverage made available by the state. Just another example of the US falling behind China in innovation. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i just wanted to laugh at this again
:stongue: :haha: :stongue: :haha: :stongue: :haha: :stongue: :haha:
some people are so trapped by their own ideology. its pretty sad. |
I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think I am wrong. ;) |
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| elFreak |
| there is no point in explaining things to you. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
there is no point in explaining things to you. |
Why not? I'm open for debate and how you believe these things come about. I've explained my case yet no one openly stating I am wrong has made a case for themselves. |
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| elFreak |
| because having sex with mark anthony has made you retarded. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
because having sex with mark anthony has made you retarded. |
Wow, great argument. :stongue: |
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