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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
All that money enriching insurance companies could just as easily be used for socialized health care. FFS, why should I pay my insurance premiums, then go to the doctor, and find out, I have to pay a ing deductible. WTF am I paying insurance for then? |
first time that i have ever agreed with you.
guess what 17, the taxes are cheaper in the long run. Come back to me when you need treatment that costs 40k and your insurance says , welp this is not in your plan dawg. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
All that money enriching insurance companies could just as easily be used for socialized health care. FFS, why should I pay my insurance premiums, then go to the doctor, and find out, I have to pay a ing deductible. WTF am I paying insurance for then? |
Maybe I am misunderstanding, but it sounds like you don't want socialized health care. Why would you want to put your money into the hands of the government, to in turn, determine what they think is best for you, when you can simply do that yourself? The redistribution of wealth is exactly what is causing this mess. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Maybe I am misunderstanding, but it sounds like you don't want socialized health care. Why would you want to put your money into the hands of the government, to in turn, determine what they think is best for you, when you can simply do that yourself? The redistribution of wealth is exactly what is causing this mess. |
Redistribution of wealth? No. It's more like the gov't providing an essential service to the taxpayers. And why should I pay constantly rising and exorbitant insurance premiums to enrich insurance companies, to have them make me pay co-pays and deductibles. At the credit union I used to work for, the work health insurance, under United Health, routinely made employees pay large co-pays for their prescriptions. Some of the employees got their own insurance bc the work one was useless. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Redistribution of wealth? No. It's more like the gov't providing an essential service to the taxpayers. |
And how do you think they perform this task?
| quote: | | And why should I pay constantly rising and exorbitant insurance premiums to enrich insurance companies, to have them make me pay co-pays and deductibles. |
You wouldn't, if our health system was kept to the private sector.
| quote: | | At the credit union I used to work for, the work health insurance, under United Health, routinely made employees pay large co-pays for their prescriptions. Some of the employees got their own insurance bc the work one was useless. |
I really can't speak for this system but it sounds like the employees were putting a percentage of their pay into a savings account, more or less. If so, I don't see anything wrong with that either. Given this system, why would you give your money to the government to decide which is best for you if you can and should do this yourself? |
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| elFreak |
| we pay for our pills here though (although those below the poverty line are covered). Prescription medication will never be free, that would be a little too crazy and expensive. (although everyone is entitled to free patches to stop smoking which is awesome and smart, because it could actually help decrease health care costs in the long run). |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
And how do you think they perform this task? |
Look at Canada, Australia, UK.
| quote: | | You wouldn't, if our health system was kept to the private sector. |
The insurance company is a private company.
| quote: | | I really can't speak for this system but it sounds like the employees were putting a percentage of their pay into a savings account, more or less. If so, I don't see anything wrong with that either. Given this system, why would you give your money to the government to decide which is best for you if you can and should do this yourself? |
Oh, so if people have savings, the insurance companies should force them to use that savings. That's a great idea!:rolleyes: |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Look at Canada, Australia, UK.
The insurance company is a private company.
Oh, so if people have savings, the insurance companies should force them to use that savings. That's a great idea!:rolleyes: |
What is so great about the Canadian, Australian or UK health system?
The insurance company is a private company, driven by a market controlled by the government.
The point in saving your money is to have the ability to pay for things in the future. An insurance company won't be forcing anyone to pay for anything that they either don't want or need. If the time comes to go to the doctor though, with a savings, you would be able to pay for the service(s). Unfortunately, with a nationalized health system, you can't, as you can perfectly see. Competition has been completely removed from this service, which has driven up costs. Without competition there is no incentive for the entity providing the service to lower the price of the good.
Edit: http://www.canada.com/topics/news/s...eae207a&k=29315 Interesting system they have going on up there in Canada. :rolleyes: |
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| jonSun |
I think we have argued about gas guzzlers & the people who drive them enough. So lets talk about something else.
Health care in America compared to health care in the UK, AUS & Canada. So what do you guys think?? |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
guess what 17, the taxes are cheaper in the long run. Come back to me when you need treatment that costs 40k and your insurance says , welp this is not in your plan dawg. |
But this is what you get with socialized medicine. |
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| elFreak |
how the hell so?
living in a place WITH socialized health care, i will tell you the ONLY medical procedures not covered by our system are those considered to be for cosmetic reasons.
you forgot to log out mark anthony. |
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| Kinezi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Awesome, none are on the Dow index. ..:o |
You .. thats what I was saying, that they are not on Dow Index .. they will come now and replace GM on Index, ing . |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
how the hell so?
living in a place WITH socialized health care, i will tell you the ONLY medical procedures not covered by our system are those considered to be for cosmetic reasons.
you forgot to log out mark anthony. |
You live in fantasy land. If you truly believe politicians who aren't experts in medicine are better suited to dictate medical policy than individual doctors/clinics, I don't know what to say. If you believe government can more efficiently run a massive business model in the U.S., especially after seeing the problems medicare and medicaid have lead to.....
Read here on a growing problem because of medicare and medicaid: doctors are opting out of programs because government regulation makes it more expensive to bill for medical services than providers receive. So now, BECAUSE of government intervention, people are going to have to pay out of pocket for specialized procedures. Removing government from the process is the best way to solve this, NOT give them the keys to the car. In your wonderful Canadian single payer system, providers are forced to accept all patients since the payment source will be the same for everyone. Prices will get controlled via Medicare style diktats, so providers will have to settle for the compensation set in Washington or nothing at all. That may control prices, but not costs, which is the entire disconnect in socialized systems in any industry.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123993462778328019.html
BTW- that link to that "blog" was a blog that posted links to real, legitimate news stories. You just don't want to take their existence into account because what it says goes against your template.
Look no further than what happened in Hawaii last year when they experimented with Universal Health care for their child population. It lasted about 7 months because of the unintended consequence of the enrollments causing it go to way over budget. As if the same thing wouldn't happen on a much larger scale in the entire country?
| quote: | Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the country just seven months after it launched.
Gov. Linda Lingle’s administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program. A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.
“People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free,” said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. “I don’t believe that was the intent of the program.” |
http://www.businessandmedia.org/art...1017135241.aspx
Shocker... people taking advantage of a no-fee program that their tax dollars funded. |
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