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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Yeah it's hard to afford, but you can't be denied medical care if you need it. |
Based on that statement, how do YOU PERSONALLY feel about the idea of paying higher taxes, in order to receive free health care? |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
Based on that statement, how do YOU PERSONALLY feel about the idea of paying higher taxes, in order to receive free health care? |
I was just making a statement about how it is. But personally, I'm not for raising taxes to receive free medical care (and Obama is floating the trial baloon now on the possibility of taxing health care benefits); we'd have to be taxed into oblivion to afford the same quality we have now if we're going to take on another massive government bueracracy. I'm 100% for allowing the medical industry to operate by free market principles like most other businesses are allowed, leading to affordable pricing based on competition. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol, now ive seen everything! someone standing up for the US health system. and you're sadly mistaken if you think there are substantially more errors in public health than their private counterparts.
its crazy to champion a system no one can afford :stongue:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...ndamerica/view/ |
When did he say that there are no or less errors in private health as opposed to public?
Also, this fails right off. "Where in the developed world do you have to put off.....because you couldn't pay for it?" Okay, thats fine and dandy, but what is worse? Sitting on your ass and waiting for the government to approve your double bypass for 15yrs, while by the time they approve it you need a quintuple bypass, and they won't approve it, or not being able to afford the care? ing hell. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| pKC, you really gotta just quit on the healthcare. Name another country that has 300m+ people, that has a better healthcare system. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
When did he say that there are no or less errors in private health as opposed to public?
Also, this fails right off. "Where in the developed world do you have to put off.....because you couldn't pay for it?" Okay, thats fine and dandy, but what is worse? Sitting on your ass and waiting for the government to approve your double bypass for 15yrs, while by the time they approve it you need a quintuple bypass, and they won't approve it, or not being able to afford the care? ing hell. |
Yes. Plus this:
| quote: | | Whenever government attempts to guarantee health care, it must also control its costs. The inevitable result is rationing and waiting lists — a recurring pattern in countries with government-run medical systems. A Canadian who needs a hip replacement might wait over a year before his surgery. A Canadian breast cancer patient may wait months until the government approves her surgery and chemotherapy. Access to advanced technology such as MRI scans is highly restricted in Canada and the UK, compared with the United States. In those countries, bureaucrats ultimately decide who gets what care and when — not doctors and patients. In socialized medical systems, health care is never truly a “right” but just another privilege dispensed at the discretion of the government. |
And I wholeheartedly agree with this:
| quote: | | Health care is a need, like food and shelter. It’s not a right. Rights are freedoms of action (such as the right to free speech), not automatic claims on goods or services that must be produced by another. There is no such thing as a “right” to a house … or a tonsillectomy. Patients do have the right to seek health care, and doctors have the right to offer it on terms they find mutually acceptable. Attempting to guarantee an alleged “right” to health care necessarily violates these actual rights. If a patient needs care but cannot afford it, he should rely on voluntary charity (which has always been forthcoming from generous Americans), not demand it as a government entitlement. |
-Paul Hsieh, MD and co-founder of Freedom and Individual Rights in Medicine |
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| Kinezi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
...:rolleyes:
CSCO, a technology company, and TRV, an insurance company. None owned by Dick Cheney... |
Halliburtun and Harken oil company. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
Halliburtun and Harken oil company. |
Do we really have to beat a dead horse? Cheney sold his ing stocks in Halliburton. You are a ing idiot. Go home you stupid kid. |
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| Kinezi |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Do we really have to beat a dead horse? Cheney sold his ing stocks in Halliburton. You are a ing idiot. Go home you stupid kid. |
I am at home..:conf: |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol, now ive seen everything! someone standing up for the US health system. and you're sadly mistaken if you think there are substantially more errors in public health than their private counterparts.
its crazy to champion a system no one can afford :stongue:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...ndamerica/view/ |
No one can afford public health care BECAUSE of government intervention. If it was kept private, doctors and people who make medicines would have to compete with each other, just like any other business who makes a good or service for a consumer, to keep the products at a lower cost and of quality to keep the consumer coming back. The government, dictating price, quality, consumption, etc. only gets in the way of keeping the prices and quality of service very low. It's very basic economics and the government does a very great job of keeping these simples facts out of the public eye or public thought. If you want lower costs and better care, it needs to be taken care of by the private sector.
Apologies for not staying on topic. Here is my input for GM's bankruptcy. It isn't one. Well, it isn't a real one by definition, thanks to central planning and government intervention. I'm sure we will see either a full collapse of GM or full control by the government in the not so distant future.
What a mess... |
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| elFreak |
you really don't know what you are talking about 17, and quoting blogs goes to prove it even more.
same with you ben, yes the wait can be a little longer (hence why the wealthy decide to pay for it right away state side), but it is never 15 years and the delay is never one that is meant to jeopardize the health of the patient. Free health care means that people go to the doctor more, causing more stress on the system, leading to a backlog yes. With my higher taxes, our standard of living is just as good as the us (ive lived there i know, and guess what most canadians do not live purely on credit like in the states and have less personal debt...funny we didn't have a mortgage crisis here.) When someone in your family needs extensive care and puts the rest of your family into debt for a few generations, come talk to me as my care cost me less in tax money extra than most americans pay for a ty hmo service.
one string banjo is you. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
Halliburtun and Harken oil company. |
Awesome, none are on the Dow index. ..:o |
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| Krypton |
| All that money enriching insurance companies could just as easily be used for socialized health care. FFS, why should I pay my insurance premiums, then go to the doctor, and find out, I have to pay a ing deductible. WTF am I paying insurance for then? |
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