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| Lebezniatnikov |
Sorry, I got carried away with my edit above, so I'm re-posting it here since the conversation kept moving.
Another con of the American system? Recessions make it even worse.
| quote: | | The number of uninsured Americans is projected to increase by at least 6.9 million by 2010 — meaning 19.2 percent of nonelderly Americans would be uninsured. This is an increase of 2.0 percentage points from 2007, say Todd Gilmer and Richard Kronick of the University of California, San Diego, in a paper published May 28 on the Health Affairs Web site [2-week free access]. Gilmer and Kronick estimate that the number of uninsured Americans will reach 52 million in 2010. |
http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/...ricans-by-2010/
edit: show me another country with 300+ million people that has 20% without access to health care.
hint: not China -
| quote: | China wants to have more than 90 percent of its population covered by some sort of basic medical insurance by 2011.
Three different insurance programs already exist for urban employees, unemployed urban residents and rural residents, into which governments, employers, and individuals contribute.
More than 200 million urban workers, 100 million urban residents and some 800 million rural residents have already joined the three programs respectively, according to the Development Research Center under the State Council. |
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2...nt_11141889.htm
But you know what the real kicker is?
| quote: | | According to the 2007 World Health Statistics, available on the ministry website, government and private expenditures on the health sector in China were respectively 38 percent and 62 percent in 2004, compared with 54.1 percent and 45.9 percent in Brazil, 17.3 percent and 82.7 percent in India, 86.3 percent and 13.7 percent in Britain, and 44.7 percent and 55.3 percent in the United States. |
Our "ideal" government contribution to healthcare mimics what is actually happening in India(!) where over 700 million (!!!) people have NO access to health care whatsoever! And even China seems to realize that their current government contribution is too low to grant access to the entire population, and has upped coverage made available by the state. Just another example of the US falling behind China in innovation. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Why not? I'm open for debate and how you believe these things come about. I've explained my case yet no one openly stating I am wrong has made a case for themselves. |
Actually, there have been lots of posts in this thread which explain why you're position is incorrect, going so far as to support a case for how your incorrect position has been poorly informed. Unfortunately, you refuse to acknowledge them as valid, and in-so-doing, are remaining obdurate to any reason contrary to your point of view.
I would bother to point them out, but a quick analysis of your replies has led me to believe that such an endeavor would be useless since, in light of my observations declared in the paragraph above, such a tactic would still be met with the same obduracy. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Actually, there have been lots of posts in this thread which explain why you're position is incorrect, going so far as to support a case for how your incorrect position has been poorly informed. Unfortunately, you refuse to acknowledge them as valid, and in-so-doing, are remaining obdurate to any reason contrary to your point of view.
I would bother to point them out, but a quick analysis of your replies has led me to believe that such an endeavor would be useless since, in light of my observations declared in the paragraph above, such a tactic would still be met with the same obduracy. |
No one has explained anything. Neither have you, obviously. Just what I expected though.
I'm curious. How do you think the housing bubble was created and why it burst? How do you believe this recession was created? Free markets? :haha: |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
No one has explained anything. Neither have you, obviously. Just what I expected though.
I'm curious. How do you think the housing bubble was created and why it burst? How do you believe this recession was created? Free markets? :haha: |
Have you ever read What's the Matter with Kansas? by Thomas Frank or were you in a position, at the time deregulation occurred during the Clinton presidency, to read about such reform and how it brought us perilously close to yet another Great Depression? It was in the newspapers, about ten years ago when there was a much more diverse selection of newspapers to choose from. How come so many news-papers are going out of business, today? Are you familiar with the term, "Yellow Journalism" and how it parallels closely with the "journalism" portrayed in today's main-stream media? What do "Margin Calls" of the 1920's have in common with the impact sub-prime lending has had on the stock market, today?
Can you answer any of the above questions with any real demonstration that your arguments are supported with reasonable facts or are you just trolling a thread with conjecture? Because, right now, you don't have a whole lot of credibility. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Have you ever read What's the Matter with Kansas? by Thomas Frank or were you in a position, at the time deregulation occurred during the Clinton presidency, to read about such reform and how it brought us perilously close to yet another Great Depression? It was in the newspapers, about ten years ago when there was a much more diverse selection of newspapers to choose from. How come so many news-papers are going out of business, today? Are you familiar with the term, "Yellow Journalism" and how it parallels closely with the "journalism" portrayed in today's main-stream media? What do "Margin Calls" of the 1920's have in common with the impact sub-prime lending has had on the stock market, today?
Can you answer any of the above questions with any real demonstration that your arguments are supported with reasonable facts or are you just trolling a thread with conjecture? Because, right now, you don't have a whole lot of credibility. |
That was a whole lot to write without answering my question. I'll take that as, you simply don't know.
Nice straw man though! |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Why not? I'm open for debate and how you believe these things come about. I've explained my case yet no one openly stating I am wrong has made a case for themselves. |
Hard to do that when every response from you is to blame the government for EVERYTHING. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Hard to do that when every response from you is to blame the government for EVERYTHING. |
You can't make your case because of my response? That doesn't even make any sense. Either you can make the case for government intervention or not. :conf: |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
That was a whole lot to write without answering my question. I'll take that as, you simply don't know.
Nice straw man though! |
A straw man is the suggestion of a weaker argument than the one you were making in order to assail it as your own and therefore discredit your position. Since you have no argument and a negligible position the creation of a Straw-man which I would then assail, in support of my position, would have been over-kill.
You're ducking the questions. Deflection noted. Try again. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
A straw man is the suggestion of a weaker argument than the one you were making in order to assail it as your own and therefore discredit your position. Since you have no argument and a negligible position the creation of a Straw-man which I would then assail, in support of my position, would have been over-kill.
You're ducking the questions. Deflection noted. Try again. |
I've asked the question and you ducked. I'm not expecting you to try and answer it though, so again, nice straw man with your previous response.
Either you'd like to explain why you believe recessions and depressions to have come about or not. It's quite simple. I'll leave the rest of the thread to you, until you can answer that simple question. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
I've asked the question and you ducked. I'm not expecting you to try and answer it though, so again, nice straw man with your previous response. |
I answered your questions with questions which demonstrated a feasible knowledge of the topic you raised in an effort to ascertain how well your position was qualified. Your position is currently unqualified and therefore you are refusing to recognize the validity of said questions.
Again, not a straw-man logical fallacy, more mediocre conjecture, and more evasion.
Strike two. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Either you'd like to explain why you believe recessions and depressions to have come about or not. It's quite simple. I'll leave the rest of the thread to you, until you can answer that simple question. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
I've asked the question and you ducked. I'm not expecting you to try and answer it though, so again, nice straw man with your previous response.
Either you'd like to explain why you believe recessions and depressions to have come about or not. It's quite simple. I'll leave the rest of the thread to you, until you can answer that simple question. |
BUSINESS CYCLES. They occur with or without government involvement. |
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