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Libya Situation (pg. 16)
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
It's actually a lot faster than our involvement in Bosnia-Herzegovina and a lot sooner than I expected. Albeit, it was needed three and a half weeks ago, but... |
It just sends a bad signal. We say Kaddafi has to go 2+ weeks ago... so announce a damn policy and then commit to it. Don't encourage Libyans to join the rebellion only to then sit back and be slaughtered in huge numbers, as has been the case. That's blood on the hands. If it is our policy to sit back and do nothing, then say so, so people can make potentially life saving decisions based upon the real facts of the situation.
Who's gonna believe they can count on us to help in the causes of freedom and rising up against oppressive dictators if this is our strategy?
EDIT: this was just well articulated by Marco Rubio:
| quote: | “So our message to the dissidents,” Rubio said, “the people with the bravery to stand up to Muammar Qaddafi, and then the people maybe thinking to stand up to the Iranian regime, and in other places, our message is: ‘You guys go ahead and do this stuff, and if we can ever get the Russians or the Chinese to ever come around, we may or may not join you’?
“Russia and China don’t care about this stuff,” Rubio continued. “They don’t care that Muammar Qaddafi is going to massacre people. So if Russia doesn’t care, and China doesn’t care, and we care but won’t do anything about it, who is it up to – the French?” |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
It just sends a bad signal. We say Kaddafi has to go 2+ weeks ago... so announce a damn policy and then commit to it. Don't encourage Libyans to join the rebellion only to then sit back and be slaughtered in huge numbers, as has been the case. That's blood on the hands. If it is our policy to sit back and do nothing, then say so, so people can make potentially life saving decisions based upon the real facts of the situation.
Who's gonna believe they can count on us to help in the causes of freedom and rising up against oppressive dictators if this is our strategy?
EDIT: this was just well articulated by Marco Rubio: |
I pretty much agree with you, that we sent a few mixed signals. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall behind closed doors, but the public face on this is downright shambolic. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| probably not dolphins. |
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| srussell0018 |
Why are people saying "we" messed up like the US is the world's police or something. This isn't a war between the US and Libya. I agree that something should have been done sooner, but that is on the UN. Anyone saying that this is in any way Obama's mistake is clearly just using that falsehood to serve their own blatently obvious political agenda.
Saddam massacred his own people for years but everyone was up in arms over the US invasion of Iraq. Now that Obama is hesitant to get involved in another conflict that is not our own, people are up in arms that he didn't involve us sooner without the backing of the UN. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| Its pretty nice that the US got a consensus from the UN before initiating armed engagement against a foreign country, you know, one that has no real bearing on the US besides the price of oil. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| this bettter bring comodtity prices back to a reasonable level. geez. |
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| Zharen |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
It just sends a bad signal. We say Kaddafi has to go 2+ weeks ago... so announce a damn policy and then commit to it. Don't encourage Libyans to join the rebellion only to then sit back and be slaughtered in huge numbers, as has been the case. That's blood on the hands. If it is our policy to sit back and do nothing, then say so, so people can make potentially life saving decisions based upon the real facts of the situation.
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Bay of Pigs anyone?
Brazil abstained from the vote? WTF Man?! :mad: |
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| srussell0018 |
| I bet Lira put them up to it. What a dick. :mad: |
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| chlola |
I heard the fighting is going to get DIRTY tonight....
When will all this end? |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by chlola
I heard the fighting is going to get DIRTY tonight....
When will all this end? |
probably when you put the knife and fork down. That would be a good start. |
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| WittyHandle |
| Pretty sure she just buries her face in the trough. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Why are people saying "we" messed up like the US is the world's police or something. This isn't a war between the US and Libya. I agree that something should have been done sooner, but that is on the UN. Anyone saying that this is in any way Obama's mistake is clearly just using that falsehood to serve their own blatently obvious political agenda. |
There wasn't a war between the U.S. and the former Yugoslavia either, but at least Clinton had the nutsack to say, " the UN, they're taking forever while civil war is breaking out... we're going in to save these people." And he did. A fine leadership moment from him.
This is not "solely" Obama's mistake... but look at it this way man. The rebel leader was pleading for the U.S. to help weeks ago... then Obama declared "Kaddafi must go" and "has lost the legitimacy to preside over his country" due to mowing down his own people. He gave those people hope, then promptly went to play 18 holes of golf, give a lecture about bullying in school, hit up fund raising events, and fill out an NCAA bracket on ESPN while thousands have now been killed. It is no secret, even within his own party, that his serial lack of decision making abilities are pissing off a lot of people.
Giving speeches about how important some things are is not the same as doing anything about it. How can he make a pronouncement about how important it is that Kaddafi must go, and then do nothing about it; how can something be urgent but not worth taking action on? Don't want to get involved at all? Then fine... SAY SO. Commit to something. The idea that strong international peer pressure and UN resolutions are the way to stop tyrants only shows how weak we look. |
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