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Libya Situation (pg. 19)
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| colin traveller |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
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I've been asking the same questions ever since this whole so called "no fly zone" started yesterday. This is big joke and I don’t buy it. The Libyan situation is very similar to what we happened to Saddam back in the 90’s. It all starts with the no fly zone; give it a few years and then you’ll have the full ground invasion. |
They call for a NFZ with changes so they can attack ground targets because they knew fine well a NFZ is non effective against ground targets ...and air attacks alone ain't enough to beat any nation as you need boots onthe ground another slippery slope of becoming another Iraq /afghanistan and the rally call for foregin milita will come calling like they've done in Iraq and A-stan
Whilst am ashammed of Cameron determination over this when there has been other situations in other Countries that major powers continually failed to act upon .
because those nation have no financial interest in those countries ..
why have a rule for one and rule for another look at Pakistan you get shot for speaking out over the strict blasphemy laws even the Goverment doesn't condone the killings , the ISI is in league with the taleban .. and still the US and the UK give them money why ...
And pakistan has been linked with the attack in Mumbai ..
Now why haven't we seen any large scale presence of forces inside pakistan ..
Because they have Nukes |
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| Zharen |
| quote: | Originally posted by Greeny1210
Its only going to get worse and worse, the whole middle east is ready to implode. |
QFT |
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| Igneous01 |
| quote: | Originally posted by colin traveller
Because they have Nukes |
thats slowly becoming a thing of the past. Besides im sure that if lets say US and Pakistani forces engaged in war, im sure that neither nation would want to launch nukes (as the repercussions are far worse then the gains)
it takes alot (and i mean) alot of nerve to launch ICBMs on another country. so much nerve that it hasnt been done for 70 some years now.
and currently theres alot of research being done in counter ballistic defense systems by numerous countries in finding a solution to stop a nuke.
Id personally like to see some action done against these crimes as well, first with a fast and swift blockade, and then targeting military installations and sabotage to get the message across. theres no need for a full scale invasion, because theres nothing a handful of spies and and navy fleet cant do.
the only us president that i think did something right was kennedy. He handled the cuban missile crises and the tension with russia far better and diplomatically then any other leader in terms of any other conflict. while theres things i dont agree with him on doing, his resolve was bold, fast, and intellectually planned out.
if only more leaders had the charisma he had (for the world on a whole- mind you) then situations like these would be handled properly and without large scale loss of life |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Igneous01
thats slowly becoming a thing of the past. Besides im sure that if lets say US and Pakistani forces engaged in war, im sure that neither nation would want to launch nukes (as the repercussions are far worse then the gains)
it takes alot (and i mean) alot of nerve to launch ICBMs on another country. so much nerve that it hasnt been done for 70 some years now.
and currently theres alot of research being done in counter ballistic defense systems by numerous countries in finding a solution to stop a nuke.
Id personally like to see some action done against these crimes as well, first with a fast and swift blockade, and then targeting military installations and sabotage to get the message across. theres no need for a full scale invasion, because theres nothing a handful of spies and and navy fleet cant do.
the only us president that i think did something right was kennedy. He handled the cuban missile crises and the tension with russia far better and diplomatically then any other leader in terms of any other conflict. while theres things i dont agree with him on doing, his resolve was bold, fast, and intellectually planned out.
if only more leaders had the charisma he had (for the world on a whole- mind you) then situations like these would be handled properly and without large scale loss of life |
You don't think Pakistan would use tactical nuclear weapons if a force like the US invaded it? I think thats a bet I would be unwilling to make... :nervous:
If any country is going to use nuclear weapons in the near future its going to either be Pakistan or North Korea, simply because we do not know who might have ultimate control over them if things go to in those countries. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by colin traveller
We might not be able to fix all the worlds problems but why in the hell should we have to do what other African nations military can do ??
Why should the Arab league back the call for a NFZ yet do we see any such African state actually take up this without the need for any Western nation to even get invovled in .. NOPE
why ... politics is a game of 2 faces |
I agree the US shouldn't have to shoulder the entire burden of any global issue. |
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| Zharen |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
You don't think Pakistan would use tactical nuclear weapons if a force like the US invaded it? I think thats a bet I would be unwilling to make... :nervous:
If any country is going to use nuclear weapons in the near future its going to either be Pakistan or North Korea, simply because we do not know who might have ultimate control over them if things go to in those countries. |
Speaking of Pakistan...
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiap...x.html?hpt=Sbin
| quote: | Pakistan's Foreign Ministry summoned the U.S. ambassador Friday to protest a drone strike as the death toll from that attack rose to 44, Pakistani intelligence officials said.
The attack also unleashed tribal fury, with regional elders vowing revenge on the United States for the strike.
Foreign Minister Salman Bashir summoned Ambassador Cameron Munter to make a "strong protest" regarding the Thursday drone strike in Pakistan's remote tribal area, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
Pakistan's prime minister and a military leader have already made harsh statements about the attack.
Two Pakistani intelligence officials said Friday the death toll had risen to 44, and that the majority of the dead were civilians.
Munter was told that such strikes are not only unacceptable but constitute "a flagrant violation of humanitarian norms and law," the ministry said.
"Pakistan should not be taken for granted nor treated as a client state," the ministry said.
Munter was also told that, under the current circumstances, Pakistan will not be able to participate in the upcoming trilateral meeting between Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the United States, scheduled for March 26.
Two intelligence officials said the drone fired two missiles on a jirga meeting in North Waziristan, one of the seven districts of Pakistan's volatile tribal region bordering Afghanistan.
Tribal elders from the region where the drone strike happened vowed to take revenge on America, saying they will unleash their family members as suicide bombers because of the drone strike.
"Americans don't spare us -- not our children, nor our elders, nor our younger," Malik Jalal Wazir, a tribal elder from North Waziristan, said in news conference. "That is why we have decided we will take blood revenge however we can."
A statement from the elders titled "Announcement of Jihad against America" said, "We have given permission to our loved ones to do suicide attacks against Americans. And we will take revenge so that Americans will remember it for centuries."
They added that the victims were civilians.
"None of the killed were linked to al Qaeda," they said.
The drone strike follows the controversial release of CIA contractor Raymond Davis, a U.S. agent acquitted of the double murder of two Pakistani men in Lahore after a total of $2.3 million was paid to the relatives of his victims.
That incident had already fueled talks of protests in Pakistan.
Based on a CNN count, Thursday's suspected drone strike was the 18th of the year, compared with 111 in all of 2010.
U.S. officials rarely acknowledge publicly the CIA's secret drone program in Pakistan. |
They mad :nervous: |
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| Jackson |
Well I guess the US strike really was preemptive then :p |
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| Jackson |
| Looks like the French are the first in. I really wouldn't mind seeing some aerial combat footage if things were to properly kick off. |
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| Moongoose |
Ah damn, i thought the french were Flying Eurofighters as well, totally forgot that they opted out of the project and developed the Rafalle on their own :( Eurofighters are sooo sweet and perhaps currently the best fighter jets in the world.
Well a Rafalle should still be enough tot ake down any of the 30 year old russian or yugoslav fighters that libya uses. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
You don't think Pakistan would use tactical nuclear weapons if a force like the US invaded it? I think thats a bet I would be unwilling to make... :nervous:
If any country is going to use nuclear weapons in the near future its going to either be Pakistan or North Korea, simply because we do not know who might have ultimate control over them if things go to in those countries. |
Tactical nukes are on a whole different level from ICBMs. You really think Pakistan would use any kind of nuclear weapon on their own country's ground? That seems kind of silly to me. |
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| tubularbills |
| sucks to be Ghadaffi right about now. |
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| Moongoose |
| The french are going in first, then the italians i hear. And thats just the fashion police going after him for his stupid dress. |
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