Good news today out of Libya! Just kidding. French journalist Julien Fouchet describes seeing imams driving in a pick up truck and reciting prayers over a loudspeaker to the rebels. And Iman Bugaighis, the spokesman for the National Transition Council, admitted, "We have twenty-five fighters on the front that were linked to al-Qaeda." And this:
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Libyan Rebel Leader: We want to cut Gadaffi's throat and establish an Islamic State"
Whereas American officials have been straining to make out “flickers” of intelligence suggesting a jihadist influence in the eastern Libyan rebellion against the rule of Muammar al-Gaddafi, Fouchet encountered a flagrant jihadist presence and met with participants who talked openly about their dedication to jihad and/or their desire to establish an Islamic state.
On the front near the oil-producing town of Brega, for instance, Fouchet spotted a bearded commander on a sand dune giving orders by satellite phone. The man wore the traditional robe favored by the Salafist current of Islamic fundamentalism and had a Kalashnikov slung over his shoulder. “You can’t speak to him,” rebel fighters told Fouchet. “He is not fighting for Libya. If he is fighting today, it’s for Allah.” Fouchet describes seeing imams driving among the ranks of the rebel fighters in a pick-up truck and reciting prayers over a loudspeaker…
…In Darnah, Fouchet also spoke to a rebel commander whom he identifies as “Hakim al-Sadi.” The commander in question is presumably in fact Abdul-Hakim al-Hasadi, who, as reported on PJM, has admitted to fighting on the side of al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan, as well as to recruiting Libyans to fight with al-Qaeda in Iraq. The biographical details attributed by Fouchet to “al-Sadi” correspond to the known details of the biography of al-Hasadi. These include his settling in Afghanistan prior to the 9/11 terror attacks and the subsequent American-led invasion, his detention by American forces in Pakistan in 2002, and his transfer to and imprisonment in his home country Libya.
Interestingly, Fouchet says that he spoke to “al-Sadi” as the latter was “leaving for the front to coordinate operations.” “In the past,” the rebel commander told Fouchet, “I didn’t like NATO. They fired missiles on Afghanistan. Now that they are helping us in Libya, it’s different. But if there are problems with them, if they begin to occupy our country, we can turn on them in the click of your fingers.”
As to his goals, “al-Sadi” explained to Fouchet that he had rejoined the jihad in order to “cut Gaddafi’s throat and establish an Islamic state.”
And to make matters worse, a senior security official in Algeria claims that Al Qaeda is taking advantage of the turmoil in Libya to purchase weapons. From Reuters----> http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/1303...ia-al-qaeda.htm
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Originally posted by The17sss
Good news today out of Libya! Just kidding. French journalist Julien Fouchet describes seeing imams driving in a pick up truck and reciting prayers over a loudspeaker to the rebels. And Iman Bugaighis, the spokesman for the National Transition Council, admitted, "We have twenty-five fighters on the front that were linked to al-Qaeda." And this:
And to make matters worse, a senior security official in Algeria claims that Al Qaeda is taking advantage of the turmoil in Libya to purchase weapons. From Reuters----> http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/1303...ia-al-qaeda.htm
Where is that good old Mission Accomplished sign when you need it?
Zyklon_Jay
if terrorists had no one to hate, they would cease to exist. Just sayin.
tubularbills
so, Libya, eh?
srussell0018
We should start dropping pamphlets in Arabic that say that al-Qaeda is actually a Christian organization so that they all kill each other. Problem solved.
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by The17sss
I'm not changing the subject. I do not believe we started a war for oil, and reject your premise that we committed hundreds of thousands of servicemen to Iraq so Cheney could get sweetheart deals for Halliburton. That is bordering on 9/11 trutherism territory. BTW- the Iraqi govt. held Saddam on trial an executed him... we did not.
You you are, and yes we did. I know it must be difficult for a died in the wool republican to believe about their own party, but there simply was no other reason.
All the "evidence" for WDM has now been proven to have been fabricated, at the request of Bush and Blair.
There are too many to specific examples as to why this was about oil and not about terrorism or WMD's, like the 45 minute warning intelligence which was shown to be lifted verbatim from a college students thesis and presented in Parliment and congress of immediate threat and the primary reason for intervention, or the "nuclear evidence" that Valerie Plame was outed for questioning (which was later proved, along with Bush's Iraqi nuclear program source to be a total fabrication created prior to the invasion to sub).
Do the research - the Bush family fortune (and it's a serious fortune) IS oil. The Bush family are estimated to have made $4-7bn as a direct result of the Iraq war.
Halliburton (CEO Cheney) has made in excess of $15bn from contracts handed to them on a platter (no bidding process).
Blair's reputation is in absolute tatters, and he may well still be tried if they are bale to find a away around the priminsterial privilege laws in the UK.
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Originally posted by The17sss
Yes or no: does the United States finance the majority of NATO? Yes or no: is NATO comprised of more U.S. military assets than any other entity? (hint: rhetorical).
It's sad that you fully grasp the reality of Obama and Biden's statements I mentioned in my last post, yet you completely support what they are doing in Libya. It's like you're fine with whatever, as long as Obama comes out looking good. Hey, we've had 858 soldiers die in Afghanistan under Obama's tenure, and his promise to bring all troops home from Iraq in 16 months is 11 months overdue. Doesn't matter either though, does it? Whatever he does is ok because he holds some moral high ground in your mind I guess?
It's bull to quote 858 deaths when 4000 were under Bush, all for a fabricated war, to make Bush and Cheyney even richer, under the premise of making the world safer. lol. Talk about believe anything. It's not about conspiracies, it's about being so damn gullible.
As for nato, yes assets are heavily from the US but not under US control of military leadership in any form. Essentially, the USA does not have a dedicated military force command or autonomous asetts in place in Libya.
France and Britain have far more assets (each, let alone combined) than the USA making up the NATO force in Libya.
Stop trying to compare Iraq to Libya - not the same in any shape or form and any political or military analist would laugh you out of the room for trying...just as I am :stongue:
The17sss
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
if terrorists had no one to hate, they would cease to exist. Just sayin.
You're right- we should give 'em what they want and submit to their ideology so they leave us alone.
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
You you are, and yes we did. I know it must be difficult for a died in the wool republican to believe about their own party, but there simply was no other reason.
All the "evidence" for WDM has now been proven to have been fabricated, at the request of Bush and Blair.
There are too many to specific examples as to why this was about oil and not about terrorism or WMD's, like the 45 minute warning intelligence which was shown to be lifted verbatim from a college students thesis and presented in Parliment and congress of immediate threat and the primary reason for intervention, or the "nuclear evidence" that Valerie Plame was outed for questioning (which was later proved, along with Bush's Iraqi nuclear program source to be a total fabrication created prior to the invasion to sub).
Do the research - the Bush family fortune (and it's a serious fortune) IS oil. The Bush family are estimated to have made $4-7bn as a direct result of the Iraq war.
Halliburton (CEO Cheney) has made in excess of $15bn from contracts handed to them on a platter (no bidding process).
Blair's reputation is in absolute tatters, and he may well still be tried if they are bale to find a away around the priminsterial privilege laws in the UK.
It's bull to quote 858 deaths when 4000 were under Bush, all for a fabricated war, to make Bush and Cheyney even richer, under the premise of making the world safer. lol. Talk about believe anything. It's not about conspiracies, it's about being so damn gullible.
Stop trying to compare Iraq to Libya - not the same in any shape or form and any political or military analist would laugh you out of the room for trying...just as I am :stongue:
You'd get along really well with Rosanne Barr and Rosie O'Donnell. You could all swap conspiracy theories while watching Michael Moore videos.
srussell0018
The17sss came at 1:22.
Zyklon_Jay
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Originally posted by The17sss
You're right- we should give 'em what they want and submit to their ideology so they leave us alone.
You'd get along really well with Rosanne Barr and Rosie O'Donnell. You could all swap conspiracy theories while watching Michael Moore videos.
i've never seen you pwned so hard (and it happens a lot), and your answer pretty much confirms it.
if you are free to do what you want with your life, why can't the evil doers be free to hate you?
The17sss
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
i've never seen you pwned so hard (and it happens a lot), and your answer pretty much confirms it.
I was pwned because RANN says Bush went into Iraq for oil money and to enrich Cheney, and I refuse to acknowledge such ing bull? He's just parroting years of far left indoctrination, connecting dots of convenience to support his template. "Ohhhh- the Bush family is in the oil business. Proof! What, only the other countries are benefiting from Iraq's oil now? It just means Bush and Cheney are ty at working out a deal.. more proof of my tin foil hattedness!" Weak bro.
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if you are free to do what you want with your life, why can't the evil doers be free to hate you?
That's fine- I couldn't give less of a if evil doers hate us. I was responding to your quote which implied (at least it seemed that way to me) that it's our fault they hate us and if we changed our ways, we could bring about peace. Was I off on that interpretation? I'm sincerely asking.
Zyklon_Jay
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Originally posted by The17sss
He's just parroting
coming from the guy who would copy paste people's blogs as answers in arguments i find this hiliriously ironic.
as far as the other part:
no one is asking anyone to change their ways, but for people like yourself to stop being a whining butthurt redneck troglodyte republican puppet and accept that the rest of the world is content to be different, think different, have different values and has no desire to be policed by your government. (republican or democratic...it doesn't matter.)
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by The17sss
I was pwned because RANN says Bush went into Iraq for oil money and to enrich Cheney, and I refuse to acknowledge such ing bull? He's just parroting years of far left indoctrination, connecting dots of convenience to support his template. "Ohhhh- the Bush family is in the oil business. Proof! What, only the other countries are benefiting from Iraq's oil now? It just means Bush and Cheney are ty at working out a deal.. more proof of my tin foil hattedness!" Weak bro.
How is it not a fact that Halliburton (now Xe) was a primary beneficiary in a war which costs the US billions and Iraqis over 100,000 dead? Drawing attention to a stark and easily apparent conflict of interests isn't indoctrination, since it's well documented by several established news sources. He's not parroting well-known lefties. RANN's just stating the facts.
