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Jihad on Denmark - freedom of expression rears its ugly head once again... (pg. 13)
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| trancaholic |
And the daily update:
The Danish central Consulate in Lebanon has been torched.
Unlike their Syrian colleagues, the Lebanese police tried to spread the masses, by means of tear gas and shots into the air. Apparently it's *not* just the dictatorships that are behind this.
EDIT: I'd better clarify that I don't know if the smoke in the picture is from fire or tear gas. The estimated amount of protesters is 20000. |
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| Moongoose |
| So do you think that that the protests will went off after a while or that the real explosion of anger and violence is yet to hit us? So far i think there were not any casualties but that is only a matter of time, and when lives are lost not just property, Danes and Europe for that matter will have to do something about it not just say we are sorry if we insulted you and would you please chill out now. |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
So do you think that that the protests will went off after a while or that the real explosion of anger and violence is yet to hit us? So far i think there were not any casualties but that is only a matter of time, and when lives are lost not just property, Danes and Europe for that matter will have to do something about it not just say we are sorry if we insulted you and would you please chill out now. |
I can't even begin to comprehend the cause effect network in the Middle East, so I don't have any clue as to whether they just need to went off some steam, or if we're in this for the long haul. However, I can comment on how things looks in Denmark, and here it won't be forgotten next week. People have pretty much lost all kind of sympathy with Middle Easterners, and I don't think any Danish government will try to help out with diplomacy down there in the coming decades. Denmark has been relentless in its support of the Palestinian cause, and have worked for making the EU act as a mediator between the Middle East and the US. That is going to stop, and I think that most Danes would sit back and watch if Israel resumed its persecutions of Arabs. It is easy to detect this shift in attitude when you talk to people in Denmark, and follow the public debate. Most of my friends and colleagues are left wingers, but they have suddenly turned very anti-Islamists. There's a media outlets which have been so deeply aligned with the left that their reflex reaction to the initial publication of the drawings back in September was a clear condemnation. Today these papers and networks stands confused, unable to see how to maintain their stance. The most vocal paper (Politiken) has even said that "if things turns to deadly violence, you will see the cartoons on our front page". Jyllands-posten, in an unusually emotionally ladden editorial accused them of hypocracy and asked if assaults, death threats, and torchings were to weak indicators of something being amiss. Our second largest paper, Berlingeren, who also was condemning the cartoons at first, has pretty much acknowledged that it doesn't dare reprint the cartoons. They can see how Jyllands-posten has been driven to the ground, and that the editors and their families lives in fear of retribution, and has decided that they do not wish to share that fate.
Furthermore, I think Danes are beginning to realize that democracy and freedom of speech are our "religion", and that no-one will defend it for us. The following email was sent to a "Buy Danish"-flagging blog by a Dane:
| quote: | Thank you very much for your support, but alas there is aboslutely no reason whatsoever to thank the official US. Join the coalition of the "willing" (become a prostitute, it seems like now) as one of the very few civilized nations, get your young men killed in Basra and receive a knife in the back from the Bush-administration as a most civilized thank you. Shame on that crooked administration of slow readers in The White House.
And shame not only on Labor but on the British press, calling Jyllands-Posten "Der Stürmer" planning a new Holocaust, while Jack Straw is condemning us. Not exactly a new Churchill.
Shame on our two disloyal ex-allies. And shame on weak and fearful Annan and the UN The world's gone topsy-turvy: Germany and France show common sense, backbone and true loyalty. Our warmest thanks fly in the direction of Wolfgang Schäuble.
In London the demonstrators now emphasize, that there is no reason to apologize, we don't have to, it is not required, and it won't make any difference. The 12 cartoonists just must be executed - by us or else they can fix it, it will be beheading, they explain, sooner or later. Perhaps in ten years time. And then the whole matter is forgotten and DK can live in peace again. |
While the sender of this email has clearly misunderstood the point about joining the coalition of the willing in order to build up good will, he does pretty much represent how Danes feel about the official US and UK and the UN at this time. I would say that the EU should be added to the list of institutions failing the Danes in order to score cheap points/avoid a conflict. The fight for keeping our society as we want it will probably be one of our own, and I guess we're getting to grips with that now.
That being said, the head of NATO did show unequivocal support for Scandinavians and freedom of speech today. Of course its way to late. |
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| ArcticBeach |
the picture that made the Muslims to berserk wasnt even made by the newspaper, some muslim did it themself to get more muslims on their side, it was a picture of Muhammed with a pignoose
Why would the danes apologize to the muslim, never give them ur hand cause they will take ur whole arm. Soon they claims that the danes should start to pray 5 times a day and convert Denmark to a Muslim country
the world should make themself a favour and blow up the middle east to the ground. All the problems in the world gots origin from there....people is saying that ppl that doing this is radical, extreme, what ever, is saying that they arent true muslim, but why are there soo godamn many of them then ? ing twats |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
And the daily update:
The Danish central Consulate in Lebanon has been torched.
Unlike their Syrian colleagues, the Lebanese police tried to spread the masses, by means of tear gas and shots into the air. Apparently it's *not* just the dictatorships that are behind this.
EDIT: I'd better clarify that I don't know if the smoke in the picture is from fire or tear gas. The estimated amount of protesters is 20000. |
If you look closely at the pic, there is a thick black smoke behind the white smoke; which means its not only from tear gas. Definately something else is burning too. |
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| P4z! |
a picture from the burning embassy in Beirut, Libanon. |
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| NeoPhono |
| I'll tell you what, I like to play these sorts of events off, but this combined with the situation in Iran really scares the crap out of me. You now have a large amount of Muslims who think the West is slandering and insulting their religion and a man in Iran who is potentially seeking an "ultimate" retaliation weapon. If there's one thing the Muslim community in the Middle East does well, it's beating themselves into a frenzy and then looking for a "leader" to take out their frustrations. I really hope the scenario I'm envisioning doesn't come to pass. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
I'll tell you what, I like to play these sorts of events off, but this combined with the situation in Iran really scares the crap out of me. You now have a large amount of Muslims who think the West is slandering and insulting their religion and a man in Iran who is potentially seeking an "ultimate" retaliation weapon. If there's one thing the Muslim community in the Middle East does well, it's beating themselves into a frenzy and then looking for a "leader" to take out their frustrations. I really hope the scenario I'm envisioning doesn't come to pass. |
You and me both.... :sadgreen: |
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| svens_bath |
| quote: | Originally posted by ArcticBeach
the picture that made the Muslims to berserk wasnt even made by the newspaper, some muslim did it themself to get more muslims on their side, it was a picture of Muhammed with a pignoose
Why would the danes apologize to the muslim, never give them ur hand cause they will take ur whole arm. Soon they claims that the danes should start to pray 5 times a day and convert Denmark to a Muslim country
the world should make themself a favour and blow up the middle east to the ground. All the problems in the world gots origin from there....people is saying that ppl that doing this is radical, extreme, what ever, is saying that they arent true muslim, but why are there soo godamn many of them then ? ing twats |
youre an idiot mate |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by svens_bath
youre an idiot mate |
Wait, so it's impossible that the pics are propaganda to rally muslims to their "cause"? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
Wait, so it's impossible that the pics are propaganda to rally muslims to their "cause"? |
Not impossible.
It's already been found out that a few pics weren't created by the main source. |
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