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Jihad on Denmark - freedom of expression rears its ugly head once again... (pg. 4)
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
Yes - their ambassador. The Danish People's Party have asked him to bring a letter back with him to his government, in which it is explained how the Danish society is divided into institutions, and how the relations of power are between these. The reason for giving him this letter is that "he has obviously failed in his duty to explain these matters to his people". |
For once I might actually agree with something the DPP has said...
| quote: | | Anyway, I just saw that the Norwegian Foreign Ministry had emailed their ambassadors in muslim countries, and encouraged them to denounce the printings in Magazinet, and state that the Norwegian people abhor anything that could offend other cultures/religions. Way to go Norway!:rolleyes: Sometimes I wonder why it's more ok to offend liberalists than members of any other minority?:conf: |
Wow, that is reeeeally stupid by Norway. I'm actually suprised my incompetent goverment hasn't done the same. Guess they don't wanna stir in the debate any further (they got the major newspapers against them even before it started). Although the pic I saw was only a very moderate one, and not very provocating, though I *think* some other newspaper published drawings as well. |
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| HardTranceProd |
You know the USA has KKK, does that mean the entire America is anti-semitic?
Bill Maher sometimes makes insensitive comments about religions, does that mean America should be boycotted?
Yet another example that Arabs lag behind in education: Their students do not study logic :wtf: they commit the fallacy of singling out and generalizing based on particular examples :wtf: I call for more logic classes in Arab schools. |
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| NebulousQ |
| quote: | | Abusing the Prophet of Islam is a serious crime because nearly one quarter of the world’s population believes that he is the Messenger of God. |
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Because we believe, you have to believe you!
Because we revere him, you must revere him too!
We have laws regarding our religion, therefore you must follow those laws as well!
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Muslim extremists ftl. |
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| InterMilan31 |
| quote: | Originally posted by HardTranceProd
You know the USA has KKK, does that mean the entire America is anti-semitic?
Bill Maher sometimes makes insensitive comments about religions, does that mean America should be boycotted?
Yet another example that Arabs lag behind in education: Their students do not study logic :wtf: they commit the fallacy of singling out and generalizing based on particular examples :wtf: I call for more logic classes in Arab schools. |
1. I dont understand how the KKK is more tollerated than Janet Jackson showing a boob at the Super Bowl.
2. He does but so do all comedians the christian yahoo's in this country pick apart each world and most of the time he tells the truth about how religion is so ed up
3. I would like to see some facts about this although the thing I have against not Arabs but Muslims is that their religion is so lacking in modernness(lol) I mean you cant even say 1 bad thing about their religion imagine Bill Maher saying a joke about the quiran or whatever...death is certain then |
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| St_Andrew |
| So apperntly the boycott is having an effect. Sevral danish companies (especially Arla), is going nuts over this. And also the editor of Jyllands Posten wrote an open letter explaining he didn't mean to offend anyone... Interesting... |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Islam and the West: Who Hates Whom? The Danish Case
By Fahmi Howaidi
The freedom of expression is conditional on public good.
Anglo Saxon and Latin legal systems, apart from the Islamic law, give protection for the freedom of expression as long as it serves the interests of society as a whole and does not lead to inflaming passions and disrupting social harmony. The highest constitutional courts in the United States stipulate that the freedom of expression is guaranteed only as long as it carries a minimum of redeeming qualities.
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Looks like the rest of the world is as clueless about the laws of other countries as their locals are... ;)
It so silly, instead of actually trying to look up and understand what the laws of Denmark say, and what free speech actually means in the west, he simply interjects what free speech means in the Arab world and preachs it as truth.
Then, to completely just prove his stupidity, he inserts the claim that "Islamic" free-speech is better because it allows people to say whatever they hell they want.... when clearly he does not champion this right.
Anyway so stupid.
I'm sure you Vikings will give in to these Muslims... Europeans love to appease, and it'll be too late when you wake up and remember what your values are, and remember that they are worth more than being able to make $1 million more in export sales, are more important than the tranquility of your economy, and are more important than your very lives. These values that Denmark and Norway seems so dear to throughout the window are what makes your societies so great and what they are, and to allow your enemies to turn and reverse your ideals to accomadate them and destroy your own society, just seems well, stupid. |
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| trancaholic |
Quick update from Reuters:
| quote: | Denmark refuses to apologize over Prophet cartoons
COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - Denmark's Prime Minister said on Sunday his government could not act against satirical cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed after Libya closed its embassy in Copenhagen amid growing Muslim anger over the dispute.
The newspaper Jyllands-Posten had not intended to insult Muslims when it published the drawings, Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said, referring to an editorial on the paper's Web site in Danish and Arabic.
But while Rasmussen tried to assuage Muslim anger, Libya on Sunday closed its embassy in Denmark in protest at the drawings.
Earlier this week, Saudi Arabia recalled its ambassador from Denmark and Saudi religious leaders have urged a boycott of Danish products.
"Because the Danish media had continued to show disrespect to the Prophet Mohammed and because the Danish authorities failed to take any responsible action on that, Libya decided to close its embassy in Copenhagen," the Libyan Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
It also threatened to take unspecified "economic measures" against Denmark.
EU trade chief Peter Mandelson met a Saudi minister at a meeting in the Swiss mountain resort of Davos on Sunday and "urged the minister to convey the seriousness of this issue to his government," his spokesman said.
"Any boycott of Danish goods would be seen as a boycott of European goods," said spokesman Peter Power.
Islam considers images of prophets disrespectful and caricatures of them blasphemous.
Since Jyllands-Posten published the drawings in September, the Danish government has repeatedly defended the right of free speech.
"The government can in no way could influence the media. And the Danish government and the Danish nation as such can not be held responsible for what is published in independent media," Fogh Rasmussen said.
The newspaper has not apologized for publishing the drawings, which have caused widespread anger among Muslims around the world.
In a demonstration on the West Bank, members of Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades threatened Danes in the area and told them to leave immediately, the Danish news agency Ritzau reported on Sunday.
The demonstrators burned the Danish flag and called on the Palestinian authorities to cut diplomatic ties with Denmark, Ritzau said.
"We are sorry the matter has reached these proportions and repeat that we had no intention to offend anyone, and that we as the rest of the Danish society respect freedom of religion," the newspaper's editor-in-chief Carsten Juste said in the editorial.
Fogh Rasmussen was speaking at a joint news conference with visiting Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who said he was satisfied with the newspaper's explanation and the Danish government's view.
"Prime Minister Rasmussen explained Denmark's position on that (the drawings), which was very satisfactory to me as a Muslim," Karzai said.
The Danish government has broad public backing for it stance on the cartoons. An opinion poll showed that 79 percent of Danes think Fogh Rasmussen should not issue an apology and 62 percent say the newspaper should not apologize. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
I'm sure you Vikings will give in to these Muslims... Europeans love to appease |
I hope you're wrong - and the poll cited above seems to indicate that you are.
Anyway, while Arab muslims are of course free to choose the products they want, it is hard to sympathize with what they're doing right now. By boycotting products from Danish companies, they are in effect acting racist. Furthermore, there are several examples of companies, who have been boycotted, which are not Danish at all. Similarly, several of the actual products boycotted are produced locally in the Middle East, and since the boycott is instigated by conclusions drawn from several steps of severely flawed reasoning, it thus ends up looking like one big costly mistake on the Arabs' part.
What I find very interesting is the EU's response to this. So far the governments of Libya, Kuwait, and Yemen have directly taken steps to hurt Danish interests. This could trigger quite a set back to relations between these countries and the EU. At least if the EU shows some balls this time.
Saudi-arabia has gone about things in a bit more subtle manner, by leaving the religious estabslishment to organize the boycotts. |
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| shaolin_Z |
This situation is so freakin ridiculous! :rolleyes:
EDIT: And it's not going to help eigther "party."
@ Trancaholic: So if I were to make a trip to Denmark rightnow, would I be greeted with hostility? :conf: |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
@ Trancaholic: So if I were to make a trip to Denmark rightnow, would I be greeted with hostility? :conf: |
Only if you drove your SUV ;)
Nah, there's about the same xenophobia here as usual. But there's quite a few people who are angry with some of the more radical Danish muslim organizations. (They've been fanning the flames since the beginning of this ordeal.) So far there has been very few direct clashes/threats between muslims and atheists/christians though. I think that's because most Danish muslims are aware of the seperation of power between intitutions, and most Danes know that most muslims know this. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
Only if you drove your SUV ;) |
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| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
Nah, there's about the same xenophobia here as usual. But there's quite a few people who are angry with some of the more radical Danish muslim organizations. (They've been fanning the flames since the beginning of this ordeal.) So far there has been very few direct clashes/threats between muslims and atheists/christians though. I think that's because most Danish muslims are aware of the seperation of power between intitutions, and most Danes know that most muslims know this. |
Cool :). |
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| trancaholic |
And the first consequences of the anger in the Middle East have manifested themselves:
- Arla closes down all operations in Saudi-arabia. 800 locals will probably lose their jobs, and a planned investment of $70 mill in a new dairy down there has been cut.
- The Danish Red Cross and Norwegian People's Aid have both withdrawn their staff from Gaza.
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
And the first consequences of the anger in the Middle East have manifested themselves:
- Arla closes down all operations in Saudi-arabia. 800 locals will probably lose their jobs, and a planned investment of $70 mill in a new dairy down there has been cut.
- The Danish Red Cross and Norwegian People's Aid have both withdrawn their staff from Gaza.
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Maybe some good will come of this when the rest of the West finally understands the type of racedup , excited, irrational, people they are dealing with in most of the middle east. Unfortunatley they do not share our sympathies. And they love to blow things out of proportion (remember the Jenin 'massacre' when all of 20 terrorist died at the same time?!)...
Its so silly, when their salvation is right at hand, they go on and get more radical and more fundamental.
On a P.S.
Must suck to be the editor the newspaper right now, I am confident several terrorist groups are all ready planning to take him out. I'm not actually sure what money a newspaper has to buy bodygaurds..
Put I wouldn't leave home (or stay in it for that matter) without them. |
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