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Jihad on Denmark - freedom of expression rears its ugly head once again... (pg. 32)
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
The million dollar question is for the MSM is, why the Abu Ghraib photos, but not the Mohammed Cartoons?
(several links within the article below)
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From my understanding, Slate had the pictures long ago but hesitated to publish the pictures based upon the arguments put forth by the Department of the Defense. However, once the Australian news agency published the pictures it became an issue of public record. In a similar fashion the NY Times knew of the wiretapping scandal a year before it was published, however they were convinced not to publish by Bush personally. Yet when the book was due to be released, they had no other choice than to come forward with the story.
So are you suggesting a news agency not hold back on a story no matter the sensitivity of the information? Because with respect to the NY Times story they did (which I disagree with) ... |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
From my understanding, Slate had the pictures long ago but hesitated to publish the pictures based upon the arguments put forth by the Department of the Defense. However, once the Australian news agency published the pictures it became an issue of public record. In a similar fashion the NY Times knew of the wiretapping scandal a year before it was published, however they were convinced not to publish by Bush personally. Yet when the book was due to be released, they had no other choice than to come forward with the story.
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Yet they'll publish the Abu Ghraib pics with no thought of endangering the lives of the soldiers involved...
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So are you suggesting a news agency not hold back on a story no matter the sensitivity of the information? Because with respect to the NY Times story they did (which I disagree with) ... |
...but have no qualms about showing Kane West dressed as Jesus or reporting an art show that shows The Virgin Mary covered in dung.
There's an inherit religious hypocracy within the MSM that have no problems printing/showing blasphemous Christian stories but when it comes to Muslims, it scares the out of them and then claim the liberal line of "tolerance" and "understanding"...:rolleyes: |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Yet they'll publish the Abu Ghraib pics with no thought of endangering the lives of the soldiers involved...
...but have no qualms about showing Kane West dressed as Jesus or reporting an art show that shows The Virgin Mary covered in dung.
There's an inherit religious hypocracy within the MSM that have no problems printing/showing blasphemous Christian stories but when it comes to Muslims, it scares the out of them and then claim the liberal line of "tolerance" and "understanding"...:rolleyes: |
Well wait you missed my point. Slate did have the Abu Ghraib pics but withheld them until the Aussie media published them. So apparentely they did have qualms publishing them. |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
There's an inherit religious hypocracy within the MSM that have no problems printing/showing blasphemous Christian stories but when it comes to Muslims, it scares the out of them and then claim the liberal line of "tolerance" and "understanding"...:rolleyes: |
I saw the 60 minutes piece on Denmark and the cartoons, and was intrigued when the reporter asked Abu Laban which of the cartoons he found most offensive. Of what kind of value does CBS think Mr Laban's answer is to the US public, when CBS itself don't show its viewers the cartoons? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Well wait you missed my point. Slate did have the Abu Ghraib pics but withheld them until the Aussie media published them. So apparentely they did have qualms publishing them. |
I don't know if I'd call Slate MSM (Main Stream Media) though; it's more a major blog than anything else.
I'm specifically referencing major television news and the major print media and their hypocrisy.
As to why Slate sat on it is a good question though.
Slate is made up of a lot of guys/gals that do work for MSM sources though so that might have been a factor? Dunno... |
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| Fir3start3r |
Even '60 Minutes' blames the Danes!?!? :wtf:
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| trancaholic |
^^^ Yes, along with the NYTimes. But don't forget that we're a bunch of wacko communists (high taxes, developed well-fare system, free medicare etc.) of course we'd be the ones to brew the newest neo-fascist fad - drawing cartoons. I saw "Goodnight and good luck" the other day. Apparently journalistic standards have dropped on CBS since then. Hell, if "The Insider" is even remotely accurate, I'll say that standards have been dropping drastically in just a few years.
But even if us Danes are vile and ruthless, fortunately there are islands of tolerance, respect, and liberty from which we can hopefully learn to behave:
| quote: | Court issues fatwa on cartoonists
AN Islamic court in India has issued a fatwa, or religious decree, condemning to death the 12 artists who drew the controversial images of the prophet Mohammed.
The decree was issued on behalf of the Idar-e-Sharia Darul Kaza Islamic court in northern Uttar Pradesh state by its religious head in the state capital, Lucknow.
"Death is the only penalty for the cartoonists who had drawn sacrilegious cartoons of the prophet," Maulana Mufti Abul Irfan, the religious head of the court, said overnight.
The court's ruling is binding on Muslims, but can be challenged under Indian law.
Mr Irfan said it was clearly written in the Muslim holy book, the Koran, that anyone who insulted the prophet deserved to be punished.
He said the fatwa was applicable wherever Muslims live.
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Jaffaryab Zilany, a member of the authoritative national body of Muslim clerics, the All-India Muslim Personal Law Board, said however that although the fatwa was legitimate under Islamic law, it had no legal binding in India.
The sentence comes days after a minister in the state government, Mohammed Yaqoob Qureshi, offered a reward of $US11.5 million ($15.6 million) for the beheading of any of the cartoonists.
The cartoons, drawn by 12 artists, were first published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in September and later reprinted in other mainly European dailies. They have sparked protests worldwide, some of them deadly.
On Saturday, a cleric in Pakistan offered a $US1-million ($1.35 million) reward and a car for the death of any of the cartoonists responsible for the drawings, one of which portrayed the prophet with a bomb in his turban.
Muslims consider any depiction of the prophet to be blasphemous.
Muslims make up about 130 million of mainly Hindu India's billion-plus population. While there have been large demonstrations against the cartoons in India, they have been mainly peaceful. |
A good thing that we pour foreign aid into India. How on Earth would they be able to afford drumming up bounty hunters without us.:rolleyes:
In other news: Apparently self-censorship is on the move in Sweden:
| quote: | Another Swedish Site Shutdown
One that I missed. On Monday Swedish Internet provider Spray shutdown the website of feminist publisher Alida for publishing those sinister Mohammad pictures. As a private company, this is, of course, their right (they claim that Säpo was in no way involved), but one cannot help thinking that such actions bode ill for the already stifled debate climate in Sweden. |
What do you say St_Andrew? Do you think you'll beat the Brits to the goal of Sharia? I'm rooting for you!:) |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
What do you say St_Andrew? Do you think you'll beat the Brits to the goal of Sharia? I'm rooting for you!:) |
The day Sweden introduce sharia laws as our laws, I will be the first one seeking refugee in Demark ;) Hopefully that day will never happen though, but there are indeed some worrysome developments going on. This site was officially closed for the reason that it was used for commercial reasons and Spray's contract did not allow this for their free service, I guess the reason why it came to their attention though is the fact that they published the pictures.
The mentality in Sweden is starting to piss me off more and more though, after Sverigedemokraterna published the cartoons people were not pissed because it might have offended the Muslims, they were pissed because they thought it would jeopardize our national security, which is incredibly stupid and pretty much means we already gave in to the extremists. So I'm thinking of a way that could potentially change the debate in Sweden now, but it is hard to come up with anything. I'm gonna try to talk about this with some of the more influential people (more influential than me anyway) in the political party I'm a member of though. |
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| NebulousQ |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
A really interesting piece written by Flemming Rose (the editor who commisioned the drawings in the first place) over at Washington Post about the motivations behind and fallout of the publication act:
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Nice article, it was an interesting read tranceaholic. Has those cartoons really opened up a debate about the integration of islam into society to the degree that the article implies? |
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| trancaholic |
^^^ I'd say so. All the facts listed by Rose in the end of the article are correct. My personal experience is that regular Danes have started to become aware of the existence of Islamists as a subset of Muslims and have started debating the fundamental values of our society and how these values relate to the world of tomorrow. Muslims not belonging to Islamist factions, on the other hand, have started to come out full force. Just this morning I read a letter to the editor in Jyllands-posten, from an angry Muslim that pointed out a lot of the basic regulations of Islam that had been violated by Abu Laban, and how Laban should be ashamed of telling others how to be good Muslims.
But don't take it from me - here's a blog by a Danish Muslim girl, who's discussing her view on integration, the press, Danes, and Muslims:
http://profeta.dk/blog/? |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Even '60 Minutes' blames the Danes!?!? :wtf:
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Unbelievable how they can distort an issue so greatly. And they make it seem like the cartoons that were published were all so horrible when in reality many of them were in good taste...
Guess now you Europeans can see how news media distorts reality when it comes to ... Arab conflict ;) :p |
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