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Jihad on Denmark - freedom of expression rears its ugly head once again... (pg. 17)
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| Cyrus King |
its a ING cartoon.. for s sake..go and or eat good food isntead of dwelling on this stupidity.
When will the asteroid come.... when |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
its a ING cartoon.. for s sake..go and or eat good food isntead of dwelling on this stupidity.
When will the asteroid come.... when |
Who's more stupid. Those who get upset about a cartoon? Those who get upset about those who get upset about a cartoon? Or, those who get upset about those who get upset about those who get upset about a cartoon?
In light of the reactions of the first group (boycotts, death threats, riots), I find it fully defensible to get upset about that. Which actions of the second group do you get upset about? |
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| emc^2 |
I think only a minority realize and see a "bigger picture" - it's not about Mohammed or Islam. It's about Iran flaming the international "anti-west" (read: anti-european, anti-american, anti-everything that's not islam) sentiments in an effort to shift the focus from its nuclear weapons program. It's also a defensive mechanism - any strike against Iran on basis of its nuclear goals will be easier presented as atack against Muslims, not against a political entity, who's purpose is to aquire WMDs. Forget Iraq - this is something to be really troubled by. Iraq was a cakewalk, comparing to the stinkbomb this is shaping out to be.
Mark my words - this is just smoldering, the fire is coming. |
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| InterMilan31 |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
I think only a minority realize and see a "bigger picture" - it's not about Mohammed or Islam. It's about Iran flaming the international "anti-west" (read: anti-european, anti-american, anti-everything that's not islam) sentiments in an effort to shift the focus from its nuclear weapons program. It's also a defensive mechanism - any strike against Iran on basis of its nuclear goals will be easier presented as atack against Muslims, not against a political entity, who's purpose is to aquire WMDs. Forget Iraq - this is something to be really troubled by. Iraq was a cakewalk, comparing to the stinkbomb this is shaping out to be.
Mark my words - this is just smoldering, the fire is coming. |
right that was a bit off topic....but yes I agree that this stuff is only the beggining of something awful to come |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
I think only a minority realize and see a "bigger picture" - it's not about Mohammed or Islam. It's about Iran flaming the international "anti-west" (read: anti-european, anti-american, anti-everything that's not islam) sentiments in an effort to shift the focus from its nuclear weapons program. It's also a defensive mechanism - any strike against Iran on basis of its nuclear goals will be easier presented as atack against Muslims, not against a political entity, who's purpose is to aquire WMDs. Forget Iraq - this is something to be really troubled by. Iraq was a cakewalk, comparing to the stinkbomb this is shaping out to be.
Mark my words - this is just smoldering, the fire is coming. |
It's not just Iran. IMO, too many Muslims want a religious war. That's what Jihad is. They're just not smart enough to realize that they'll lose if they go up against Christians, Jews, and secularists all at once. Most Europeans were against what the US was doing in the Middle East, so explain to me the logic of pissing them off so that they now side with the the Americans because they're being attacked. Nothing like forcing people to pick sides for the newest version of the Crusades.
They commit all these atrocities in the name of Allah and no Muslim leaders condemn the actions, so why are they so upset when cartoonists depict him as a terrorist with a bomb? It's the image they're spreading to the world and if they don't like that image, stop conforming to it by destroying things. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
It's not just Iran. IMO, too many Muslims want a religious war. That's what Jihad is. They're just not smart enough to realize that they'll lose if they go up against Christians, Jews, and secularists all at once. Most Europeans were against what the US was doing in the Middle East, so explain to me the logic of pissing them off so that they now side with the the Americans because they're being attacked. |
It's almost akin to Europe ignoring Churchill's warnings about Hitler.
They were so sure of themselves until Hitler starting moving and taking over things.
I'm not comparing Muslims to Hitler (I'm not even sure how one would do such a thing) but comparing Europe's aloofness to what the real situation is; as it was then, it is now.
Yet again they find themselves faced with another problem they thought they knew how to deal with...
I'm sure they can solve it, but they might actually have to get a little dirty and find a backbone.
Support Denmark! |
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| Groundhog Boy |
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Cartoon bans hit Danish firms
Tuesday, February 7, 2006; Posted: 1:27 a.m. EST (06:27 GMT)
(CNN) -- A boycott of Danish goods called by Muslim leaders over the publishing of cartoons of Prophet Mohammad is dealing a blow to the nation's businesses.
Oil giant Iran became the latest nation to impose penalties, saying on Monday it would cut off all trade ties with Denmark. Reuters reported that Iran imports $280 million worth of goods from Denmark a year.
A report on the state-run news agency IRNA said Iranian Commerce Minister Massoud Mirkazemi had stopped trade with Denmark, but certain types of machinery and medicine would be allowed in for another three months.
Iran has withdrawn its ambassador to Denmark as well.
Qatar's Chamber of Commerce said it had halted dealings with Danish and Norwegian delegations, while in Bahrain, parliament formed a committee to contact Arab and Islamic governments to enforce the boycott.
Iraq's transport ministry also said it was severing ties with the Danish and Norwegian governments, a move that includes terminating all contracts with companies based in those countries.
The cartoons of Mohammed first appeared in a Danish paper Jyllands-Posten in September. The paper said it had asked cartoonists to draw the pictures because the media was censoring itself over Muslim issues.
Islam forbids depictions of Mohammed and many Muslims were furious at the drawings, one of which shows the religious figure wearing a turban shaped like a bomb.
Some other European papers later published some of the cartoons, as a way of covering the controversy and also, some papers said, as a matter of freedom of expression.
Two small weekly Jordanian newspapers also reprinted the cartoons and, according to Jordan's Petra News Agency, arrest warrants issued for the editors-in-chief.
The Danish paper issued an apology in late January after weeks of quieter expressions of outrage and diplomatic efforts to avoid the widespread violence.
The Danish government says it does not control what is in the country's newspapers and that courts will determine whether the newspaper that originally published the cartoons is guilty of blasphemy.
The government has also expressed apologies for the offending drawings. (Danes feel threatened)
Deadly outrage
But tens of thousands of Muslims around the world continue to stage protests -- some resulting in deaths -- over the cartoons.
Two protesters were killed and 13 others injured, when Afghan police fired Monday on about 2,000 protesters who tried to enter Bagram Airbase, a U.S. base north of Kabul, The Associated Press reported.
In the Afghan city of Mihtarlam, two protesters were killed and three others injured when police fired on a crowd after a man fired shots and others threw stones and knives, according to the AP. (Watch the stones fly and police batons swing -- 2:25)
In the east African nation of Somalia, a stampede during a protest killed a teenager, AP reported. (Full story)
In Tehran, demonstrators protested outside the Danish Consulate and the Austrian Embassy. Austria is currently serving as president of the European Union. (Full story)
Other protests Monday took place in Amman, Tel Aviv, Gaza, Indian-controlled Kashmir, the Indian capital of New Delhi and Kut, a city in southern Iraq where about 5,000 people congregated, burned flags and burned an effigy of the Danish prime minister.
'Not Danish'
Meanwhile in Paris, France Soir -- a newspaper that published the cartoons of Mohammed -- was evacuated for nearly three hours Monday after receiving a bomb threat.
Amid the violence, non-Danish companies have rushed in to tell consumers about the origin of their products in a bid to keep them on supermarket shelves.
Switzerland's Nestle, Italy's Ferrero and New Zealand's dairy co-operative Fonterra were among the companies putting out newspaper ads showing their products were not made or imported from Denmark, according to Reuters.
Danish-Swedish dairy company Arla Foods told Reuters it was losing $1.8 million of sales a day in the Middle East. Its products were removed from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait.
"Not a single sachet of a Danish product is left on our shelves," the director of a Kuwaiti supermarket told Reuters.
CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam. |
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Not that they're going to, but the US can't say much since they're running the same deal on Cuba. I WANT MY CIGARS AND CHEAP RUM!!!!!!!!
It is really sad that they're bitching about Denmark of all places. |
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Funny how Iraqi elections has high turnouts, eh?
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Indeed.
The fundamentalist Shiites were out in force.
Theocracy is on the march! |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| Today one croatian magazine published those pictures too. I'm glad to say that we too took part in protecting the freedom of the press, something that was really difficult to comprehend some 10 years ago. |
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| djdarren |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
It's not just Iran. IMO, too many Muslims want a religious war. That's what Jihad is. They're just not smart enough to realize that they'll lose if they go up against Christians, Jews, and secularists all at once. Most Europeans were against what the US was doing in the Middle East, so explain to me the logic of pissing them off so that they now side with the the Americans because they're being attacked. Nothing like forcing people to pick sides for the newest version of the Crusades.
They commit all these atrocities in the name of Allah and no Muslim leaders condemn the actions, so why are they so upset when cartoonists depict him as a terrorist with a bomb? It's the image they're spreading to the world and if they don't like that image, stop conforming to it by destroying things. |
lol..this is really funny. First of all you really don't know what is Jihad. I'm muslim btw. Jihad is a very old idea, people in europe and america who have benefits over Muslim countries uses the idea Jihad to just try to blacken muslims. You said that there are lots of muslims who want a religious war. Thats compeletly wrong. All that bombings and stuff is not about religion or muslims. You must understand that no muslim can do such a thing. You said they commit all these atrocities in the name of Allah and this is the funniest part. They don't know nothing about Allah or being a Muslim. They are just couple of ignorant people.
you must understand that all thse things are not about being a Muslim.
And let's talk about that cartoons. Hmm.. Let's see.. How can you make all Muslims responsible for these atrocities? How can you draw Mohammed the Prophet in such idea? What if we draw Jesus "as a symbol of US" in a cartoon? That is absolutely the same thing. They are just trying to find reasons to attack Muslims.They want to conquer our land to use all our products. But one thing they don't know that we are very powerful. If they keep doing this... well.. |
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| George Smiley |
Well 14 pages and I'm not reading through them so appologies if any of this has been said before (which I'm sure it will have!)
It seems that certain sections of the PC brigade (esp here in the UK where god (sorry, God (sorry, G-d (sorry G-d praise be unto him))) forbid anyone dares criticise anything to do with Islam (because they see it as criticism of a race, not a religion) It's double standards. No one cares when people criticise Christianity (eg there was a big uproar that our education secretary was a member of that loony Opus Dei) but when it's against Islam everyone's up in arms about it.
Now I know the cartoon was offensive but it's freedom of speach. Nobody likes it when they are on the receiving end but religious people should accept that if they wanna have stupid beliefs (yes they are stupid) then they are gonna get criticism. I dont agree with the artists inference that all Muslims who follow Muhammed are Islamists but hey, there are ways to disprove that and rioting is not the way to prove Muslims are peaceful!
I just wonder if all those s protesting down in London and elsewhere rioted when their own press publish cartoons portraying all Israelis or all Jews as animals/Nazis/etc?
Doubt it |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by djdarren
you must understand that all thse things are not about being a Muslim.
And let's talk about that cartoons. Hmm.. Let's see.. How can you make all Muslims responsible for these atrocities? How can you draw Mohammed the Prophet in such idea? What if we draw Jesus "as a symbol of US" in a cartoon? That is absolutely the same thing. They are just trying to find reasons to attack Muslims.They want to conquer our land to use all our products. But one thing they don't know that we are very powerful. If they keep doing this... well.. |
We've had protests all over our country, and you know 'ordinary' muslims turned out & a lot of them had provocative signs, gloryfying terror etc. Many people draw pictures of jesus, and guess what, we don't care, sure some people do, but I find many humourous. Islam in general is stuck in an age of time way in the past, and that's where the clashes come, issues that other religions take as being normal, never have with islam, and it needs to modernise itself to adapt to these issues, else I see a very long & bloody war |
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