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Jihad on Denmark - freedom of expression rears its ugly head once again... (pg. 36)
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| trancaholic |
Canadian book store run by stupid cowards:
| quote: | Indigo pulls controversial Harper's off the shelves
Canada's largest retail bookseller has removed all copies of the June issue of Harper's Magazine from its 260 stores, claiming an article by New York cartoonist Art Spiegelman could foment protests similar to those that occurred this year in reaction to the publication in a Danish newspaper of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed.
Indigo Books and Music took the action this week when its executives noticed that the 10-page Harper's article, titled Drawing Blood, reproduced all 12 cartoons first published last September by Jyllands-Posten (The Morning Newspaper).
The article also contains five cartoons, including one by Mr. Spiegelman and two by Israelis, “inspired” by an Iranian newspaper's call in February for an international Holocaust cartoon contest “to test the limits of Western tolerance of free speech.”
It's unclear what part, if any, the five cartoons played in the Indigo ban; phone calls to its Toronto headquarters were not returned yesterday. In 2001, Indigo founder and CEO Heather Reisman ordered all copies of Adolph Hitler's Mein Kampf pulled from stores, describing the book as “hate literature.” Two years later, she helped found the powerful lobby group the Canadian Council for Israel and Jewish Advocacy.
In a memo obtained by The Globe and Mail that was e-mailed to Indigo managers yesterday about “what to do if customers question Indigo's censorship” of Harper's, employees are told to say that “the decision was made based on the fact that the content about to be published has been known to ignite demonstrations around the world. Indigo [and its subsidiaries] Chapters and Coles will not carry this particular issue of the magazine but will continue to carry other issues of this publication in the future.”
Indigo normally carries as many as 3,000 copies each month of Harper's, about 11 per cent of the New York magazine's total retail distribution in Canada, according to a Harper's circulations manager.
Harper's publisher John MacArthur said he was “genuinely shocked” by Indigo's action, in part because two large U.S. chains, Borders and Waldenbooks, are selling the issue.
(Three months ago, both chains yanked a small U.S. publication, Free Inquiry, when it reproduced four of the Danish cartoons. That Free Inquiry issue with the cartoons is currently on sale at Indigo.)
“I'd expect an American company to do this, not a Canadian,” Mr. MacArthur said yesterday. “Even though you have tougher libel laws than us and your own versions of political correctness, to my mind [Canada] has always been a freer place for political discourse.”
The U.S. news media have become “terribly prone to self-censorship,” especially after the events of Sept. 11, 2001, he said. “There's a more wide open debate [in Canada] than in America.”
Mr. MacArthur said Harper's decided to publish the Spiegelman article because “we really wanted to expand the conversation” about the role of cartoons and the contours of free expression and not just to say, ‘So there.'” In the article, Mr. Spiegelman — perhaps best known as the creator of the Pulitzer-Prize-winning Holocaust cartoon Maus — rates each of the 12 Mohammed cartoons on a scale of 1 to 4 “fatwa bombs,” and also includes several scabrous cartoons from the 19th and 20th centuries.The Jyllands-Posten publication offended many Muslims, who believe any imagery of the Prophet Mohammed to be idolatrous and blasphemous, and sparked a world-wide debate over the rights and limits of free speech.
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| Magnetonium |
All I have to say on this thread is:
Freedom Of Speech. Period. |
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| Azz3D |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
religion, mans biggest bull invention.......... |
"it's all about who has a better imaginary friend":p |
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| qussay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
All I have to say on this thread is:
Freedom Of Speech. Period. |
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then how come i cant talk about the holocaust ???? |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by qussay
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then how come i cant talk about the holocaust ???? |
What's to talk about?? It happened, millions were killed, what is to talk about. Unless you are one of those that think it did not happen... |
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| qussay |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
What's to talk about?? It happened, millions were killed, what is to talk about. Unless you are one of those that think it did not happen... |
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i am not saying either , but i stil should have the right to question it , since you are saying we must have unrestricted freedom of speech . People shouldnt go to jail because they question if it happened or not , freedom of speech should give them the right to say whatever they want .... ! |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by qussay
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i am not saying either , but i stil should have the right to question it , since you are saying we must have unrestricted freedom of speech . People shouldnt go to jail because they question if it happened or not , freedom of speech should give them the right to say whatever they want .... ! |
Those countries where it is illegal to criticize "the official story" of the holocaust have serious issues with free speech, I don't think anyone here denies that. |
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| qussay |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Those countries where it is illegal to criticize "the official story" of the holocaust have serious issues with free speech, I don't think anyone here denies that. |
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Isnt that the case almost everywhere in Europe , the US , Canada and Australia ? |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by qussay
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Isnt that the case almost everywhere in Europe , the US , Canada and Australia ? |
Ehm no? It is illegal in 10 European countries: France (Loi Gayssot), Belgium (Belgian Negationism Law), Switzerland (article 261bis of the Penal Code), Germany, Austria (article 3h Verbotsgesetz 1947), Romania, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Lithuania, and Poland.
In the other 40 or so countries it is not illegal. And yes those countries (above) are in no way good examples. |
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| trancaholic |
^^^ Specifically, it's not illegal to be a holocaust denier in Denmark - go tell your friends qussay, there's clearly a need for you guys to get educated about the rules abroad.
Anyway, as to the world outside Europe, I think that Israel is the only country with laws against holocaust denial? Anyone? |
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| qussay |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
^^^ Specifically, it's not illegal to be a holocaust denier in Denmark - go tell your friends qussay, there's clearly a need for you guys to get educated about the rules abroad.
Anyway, as to the world outside Europe, I think that Israel is the only country with laws against holocaust denial? Anyone? |
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clearly , trancaholic , you and your friends are the ones in need of immediate education and exposure !
A couple of months ago , a man ( not sure about his nationality ) got sentenced to do some prison time because he stated publicaly back in the 80s , that in his opinion , the holocaust didnt not exist. Even after , that man spoke up and apologized and said , that back then , he wasnt well informed , and he changed his mind now, they still made him go to jail !!!!! I think that incident happened in australia .
if you need more info on this topic , i will gladly point it out to you . I am also sure , that there are many european countries which follow the same " free speech " way of living ! |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by qussay
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clearly , trancaholic , you and your friends are the ones in need of immediate education and exposure !
A couple of months ago , a man ( not sure about his nationality ) got sentenced to do some prison time because he stated publicaly back in the 80s , that in his opinion , the holocaust didnt not exist. Even after , that man spoke up and apologized and said , that back then , he wasnt well informed , and he changed his mind now, they still made him go to jail !!!!! I think that incident happened in australia .
if you need more info on this topic , i will gladly point it out to you . I am also sure , that there are many european countries which follow the same " free speech " way of living ! |
It happened in Austria, which besides the name, has little resemblance to Australia. As has already been pointed out, Austria is one of the countries with laws against holocaust denial, so I'm not really sure what to take home from your post? However, it does appear that even in this regard I'm better informed than you. Just for closure, though, assuming that your assertion made sense - and *Australia* had laws against holocaust denial - how would that relate to what's printed in an independent *danish* newspaper? Do you think that this paper is somehow deciding the laws in Austria/Australia? |
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