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Jihad on Denmark - freedom of expression rears its ugly head once again... (pg. 15)
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| InterMilan31 |
NeoPhono:
4. Olympics Torino 2006 end in tradgedy |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by InterMilan31
NeoPhono:
4. Olympics Torino 2006 end in tradgedy |
I also think somewhere mixed in there is:
4-5: American relegious "leaders" (Robertsons, Falwells, etc.) incite fear and anger in Christians further feeding the flames. |
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| donnybrasco |
This is the sort of thing that highlights how dangerous and ignorant religion really is; Protests over Cartoons? About a god no one has seen (on either side of the religiously "enlightened")?
Now you've got a whole group of people inflamed to kill another over this? :crazy:
So glad I can count myself out of the ass-backwards way in which religion has marred, and continues to mar, the human race. |
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| InterMilan31 |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
This is the sort of thing that highlights how dangerous and ignorant religion really is; Protests over Cartoons? About a god no one has seen (on either side of the religiously "enlightened")?
Now you've got a whole group of people inflamed to kill another over this? :crazy:
So glad I can count myself out of the ass-backwards way in which religion has marred, and continues to mar, the human race. |
thats why im an atheist |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ArcticBeach
the picture that made the Muslims to berserk wasnt even made by the newspaper, some muslim did it themself to get more muslims on their side, it was a picture of Muhammed with a pignoose
Why would the danes apologize to the muslim, never give them ur hand cause they will take ur whole arm. Soon they claims that the danes should start to pray 5 times a day and convert Denmark to a Muslim country
the world should make themself a favour and blow up the middle east to the ground. All the problems in the world gots origin from there....people is saying that ppl that doing this is radical, extreme, what ever, is saying that they arent true muslim, but why are there soo godamn many of them then ? ing twats |
you clearly are a ing idiot. now go and shoot yourself mr Hitler. |
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| Fir3start3r |
Best thing I've read on this whole situation...
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We are all Danes now
By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | February 5, 2006
HINDUS CONSIDER it sacrilegious to eat meat from cows, so when a Danish supermarket ran a sale on beef and veal last fall, Hindus everywhere reacted with outrage. India recalled its ambassador to Copenhagen, and Danish flags were burned in Calcutta, Bombay, and Delhi. A Hindu mob in Sri Lanka severely beat two employees of a Danish-owned firm, and demonstrators in Nepal chanted: ''War on Denmark! Death to Denmark!"In many places, shops selling Dansk china or Lego toys were attacked by rioters, and two Danish embassies were firebombed.
It didn't happen, of course. Hindus may consider it odious to use cows as food, but they do not resort to boycotts, threats, and violence when non-Hindus eat hamburger or steak. They do not demand that everyone abide by the strictures of Hinduism and avoid words and deeds that Hindus might find upsetting. The same is true of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Mormons: They don't lash out in violence when their religious sensibilities are offended. They certainly don't expect their beliefs to be immune from criticism, mockery, or dissent.
But radical Muslims do.
The current uproar over cartoons of the Muslim prophet Mohammed published in a Danish newspaper illustrates yet again the fascist intolerance that is at the heart of radical Islam. Jyllands-Posten, Denmark's largest daily, commissioned the cartoons to make a point about freedom of speech. It was protesting the climate of intimidation that had made it impossible for a Danish author to find an illustrator for his children's book about Mohammed. No artist would agree to illustrate the book for fear of being harmed by Muslim extremists. Appalled by this self-censorship, Jyllands-Posten invited Danish artists to submit drawings of Mohammed, and published the 12 it received.
Most of the pictures are tame to the point of dullness, especially compared to the biting editorial cartoons that routinely appear in US and European newspapers. A few of them link Mohammed to Islamist terrorism -- one depicts him with a bomb in his turban, while a second shows him in Heaven, pleading with newly arrived suicide terrorists: ''Stop, stop! We have run out of virgins!" Others focus on the threat to free speech: In one, a sweating artist sits at his drawing board, nervously sketching Mohammed, while glancing over his shoulder to make sure he's not being watched.
That anything so mild could trigger a reaction so crazed -- riots, death threats, kidnappings, flag-burnings -- speaks volumes about the chasm that separates the values of the civilized world from those in too much of the Islamic world. Freedom of the press, the marketplace of ideas, the right to skewer sacred cows: Militant Islam knows none of this. And if the jihadis get their way, it will be swept aside everywhere by the censorship and intolerance of sharia.
Here and there, some brave Muslim voices have cried out against the book-burners. The Jordanian newspaper Shihan published three of the cartoons. ''Muslims of the world, be reasonable," implored Shihan's editor, Jihad al-Momani, in an editorial. ''What brings more prejudice against Islam -- these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras?" But within hours Momani was out of a job, fired by the paper's owners after the Jordanian government threatened legal action.
He wasn't the only editor sacked last week. In Paris, Jacques LeFranc of the daily France Soir was also fired after running the Mohammed cartoons. The paper's owner, an Egyptian Copt named Raymond Lakah, issued a craven and Orwellian statement offering LeFranc's head as a gesture of ''respect for the intimate beliefs and convictions of every individual." But the France Soir staff defended their decision to publish the drawings in a stalwart editorial. ''The best way to fight against censorship is to prevent censorship from happening," they wrote. ''A fundamental principle guaranteeing democracy and secular society is under threat. To say nothing is to retreat."
Across the continent, nearly two dozen other newspapers have joined in defending that principle. While Islamist clerics proclaim an ''international day of anger" or declare that ''the war has begun," leading publications in Norway, France, Italy, Spain, Holland, Germany, Switzerland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic have reprinted the Danish cartoons. But there has been no comparable show of backbone in America, where (as of Friday) only the New York Sun has had the fortitude to the run some of the drawings.
Make no mistake: This story is not going away, and neither is the Islamofascist threat. The freedom of speech we take for granted is under attack, and it will vanish if it is not bravely defended. Today the censors may be coming for some unfunny Mohammed cartoons, but tomorrow it is your words and ideas they will silence. Like it or not, we are all Danes now.
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| Goashem |
| i think this whole ordeal is stupid. if muslims didnt react in such a crazy way i bet the paper would have apologized for making the cartoon and there wouldnt be an issue of freedom of speech. you know what paulo di canio (a soccer player) makes fascist saluts and envokes the "freedom of speech" right to do it. but that movement is very offensive and incites hate and is just unappropriate in todays society. just like the portreyal of mohammad with a bomb in his head or the ridicule of him by drawing him with a pig snout. this kind of things dont belong in a civilized world that promotes unity instead of segregation so cut the whole freedom of speech crap how about the right to be protected from persecution? (and its very ironic that the muslims are kinda doing the same to europeans now) |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
... or the ridicule of him by drawing him with a pig snout... |
You know this one was not one of the original cartoons right?
(just checking...) |
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| Goashem |
| no i assumed the very original was the one with the pig snout (or something related to a pig) and later came the one with the bomb on his head. in either case, im sure of it that if the muslim community did not react in such a fanatic manner the paper would have apologized for offending them and we'd all move on with our lives. |
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| InterMilan31 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
i think this whole ordeal is stupid. if muslims didnt react in such a crazy way i bet the paper would have apologized for making the cartoon and there wouldnt be an issue of freedom of speech. you know what paulo di canio (a soccer player) makes fascist saluts and envokes the "freedom of speech" right to do it. but that movement is very offensive and incites hate and is just unappropriate in todays society. just like the portreyal of mohammad with a bomb in his head or the ridicule of him by drawing him with a pig snout. this kind of things dont belong in a civilized world that promotes unity instead of segregation so cut the whole freedom of speech crap how about the right to be protected from persecution? (and its very ironic that the muslims are kinda doing the same to europeans now) |
I think its wrong those things but ppl take life to seriously for one and also you can argue that those things as bad as they are are serious forms of freedom whether you tend to agree or disagree with their oppinions...as for Di Canio he uses that salute not for the bad reasons even though I call him a Nazi and everything its mostly because I hated facism although facism in Italy did work a bit as every town had their children educated/plumbing etc things Italy needed at that moment.. |
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| NeoPhono |
I think the bottom line is that in a "civilized" society, if someone draws a picture that offends you, you don't get your friends together and burn down. You can be upset, you can ask for an apology, you can be offended, but leave it at that.
What's the old cliche? Sticks and stones can break my bones but names will never hurt me. These people are hearing the names and whipping out the sicks and stones. |
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| InterMilan31 |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
I think the bottom line is that in a "civilized" society, if someone draws a picture that offends you, you don't get your friends together and burn down. You can be upset, you can ask for an apology, you can be offended, but leave it at that.
What's the old cliche? Sticks and stones can break my bones but names will never hurt me. These people are hearing the names and whipping out the sicks and stones. |
is it just me or does anything they dont like result to violent acts |
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