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Jihad on Denmark - freedom of expression rears its ugly head once again... (pg. 35)
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| CaTcH21 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Yes, and we can all dress in white, skip through the fields and sing while throwing flowers everywhere too.
Unfortunately this utopian picture you draw, while nice, just isn't the real world.
As far as the cartoons go, those that are protesting need to get over themselves. Welcome to the world of civil liberties and freedom of expression because unless those Muslims that "don't get it" understand what freedom is, they're damning themselves to extinction while the rest of the world is passing them by in the dust.
There's nothing wrong with being pious and all that, but don't let the religion keep you in the dark either; it's akin to a theocratic enslavement of the mind.
This is where things have failed and since they've only let things fester out of control, we (the free world) are forced to deal with it; partally because we were foolish enough to trust and empower them to begin with, and partally because they've simply just been running amok too long. They must figure since we've let them run around bombing things in the past then it's alright to test the limits to the extreme.
This arguement of tolerance, while valid, is a two-way street and that's what they have to learn...
[edit] When I say, "They", I am of course refering to the Muslim extremists, NOT the Muslim population as a whole so don't go there. ;) |
However you people want to see it, the fact of the matter is Islam is spreading, more and more people are becoming muslims, the harder the west try and destroy it, the more stronger its getting. Im done with this post. next ... |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by CaTcH21
However you people want to see it, the fact of the matter is Islam is spreading, more and more people are becoming muslims,
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I think this subject was touched upon in a post some time ago and I'm pretty sure it was spreading not because of conversions but because of birth rate...
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the harder the west try and destroy it, the more stronger its getting. Im done with this post. next ...
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There was no mention of the West trying to destroy anything so stop trying to make this into a religious battle.
This is about a war on terrororists who happen to be Muslim extremists.
So kindly put your ceremonial dagger back in its scabbard and join the rest of us in some enlightenment of the situation before putting words in our mouths... |
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| Alex |
So typical, everyone caught up in the muslim/christian debate (I mean in the world, not on the boards)...
The future isn't in the Middle-East, sorry, it's in Asia, I think Asia should be scrutinized more and talked about more on these boards.
The Middle-East is soooooo 2001, and I don't think the west is trying to "Destroy" muslims, such stupidity. |
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| CaTcH21 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I think this subject was touched upon in a post some time ago and I'm pretty sure it was spreading not because of conversions but because of birth rate... |
Oh this is something supernatural, a baby norn and the next days it 20 ? and their parents are christians and they just happen to convert to Islam ? :haha:
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
This is about a war on terrororists who happen to be Muslim extremists.
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You just proved how ignorant you are ... |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by CaTcH21
Oh this is something supernatural, a baby norn and the next days it 20 ? and their parents are christians and they just happen to convert to Islam ? :haha:
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...and of course we have a link or source to base your arguement on...
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You just proved how ignorant you are ... |
Really? Please enlighten us.
I'd be willing to bet that the major here would agree with me.
However, unless you've been trolling here in the PDD for a bit, you'd already know that... |
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| CaTcH21 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
...and of course we have a link or source to base your arguement on... |
This collection of former priests and missionaries should prove especially thought-provoking to our Christian readers. This is small list, you want more i'll give you more ...
Abdullah al-Faruq - Formerly Kenneth L. Jenkins, minister and elder of the Pentecostal Church
Dr. Jerald F. Dirks - Former minister (deacon) of the United Methodist Church. He holds a Master's degree in Divinity from Harvard University and a Doctorate in Psychology from the University of Denver. Author of The Cross and the Crescent: An Interfaith Dialogue between Christianity and Islam (ISBN 1-59008-002-5 - Amana Publications, 2001). He has published over 60 articles in the field of clinical psychology, and over 150 articles on Arabian horses
Viacheslav Polosin - Former Archpriest of the Russian Orthodox Church
Anselm Tormeeda - 14th century CE Majorcan priest and scholar. From his book 'The Gift to the Intelligent for Refuting the Arguments of the Christians'
Khadijah "Sue" Watson - Former pastor, missionary, professor. Master's degree in Divinity
Ibrahim Khalil Philobus - Former Egyptian Coptic priest and missionary
Martin John Mwaipopo - Former Lutheran Archbishop
Raphael Narbaez, Jr. - Former Jehovah's Witness Minister
George Anthony Former Catholic priest
Dr. Gary Miller Former missionary
Delegation of Priests Convert to Islam at Climax of Muslim-Christian Dialogue The remarkable outcome of a dialogue between Muslim scholars and Christian priests
Dr. M.H. Durrani - Formerly Senior Chaplain at St. Mary's Church (Anglican) in Quetta, Pakistan. Doctorate in Theology (Th.D.)
You also want their testimonies ?
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Really? Please enlighten us.
I'd be willing to bet that the major here would agree with me.
However, unless you've been trolling here in the PDD for a bit, you'd already know that... |
This i will give you in new topics. |
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| Fir3start3r |
How about an actual source? link?
Arguements are not very valid without referencing sources.
Come on, this is basic English essay writing 101 stuff!
If we're going to debate this, lets at least have the basics on how to...
Am I just supposed to take you at your word?
footnotes ring a bell?
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| CaTcH21 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
This is about a war on terrororists who happen to be Muslim extremists.
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Of The 'Dead Pilot' Who 'Crashed Into The World Trade Center'
TBC ... |
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| trancaholic |
Finland apparently just overtook the UK as most Islamist pandering country. This is utterly ridiculous. How can publishing the cartoons ever be understood as violating freedom of worship? I'm beginning to understand what Vesa was telling us about.
| quote: | Three Finns may face charges for posting Mohammad cartoons
Finnish police said Friday it had given the preliminary investigation material pertaining to three individuals it suspects of violating the freedom of worship to Mika Illman, a state prosecutor.
The three men are members of Suomen Sisu, a nationalistic movement that has posted Jyllands-Posten's controversial Mohammad cartoons on its website.
Jorma Kalske, the deputy prosecutor general, is expected to decide in May whether to prosecute the men. |
(From NewsRoom Finland) |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by CaTcH21
Oh this is something supernatural, a baby norn and the next days it 20 ? and their parents are christians and they just happen to convert to Islam ? :haha:
You just proved how ignorant you are ... |
You know what most parents' first reaction would be when their baby's been replaced by a 20 year old? "WHAT THE DID YOU DO TO MY BABY!!!!!!!" |
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| Groundhog Boy |
Now the Christians are using the Muslim cartoon protests as an example of why they should start protesting and destroying things over the Da Vinci Code movie. Some of the other things in there just blew my mind considering that this movie is based on a work of fiction. I guess I can understand, because these sheep obviously have such impressionable minds that they might believe this is real. :rolleyes:
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| quote: | CANNES, France (AP) -- Anger over "The Da Vinci Code," premiering Wednesday at the Cannes Film Festival, escalated Tuesday as Christian groups from South Korea, Thailand, Greece and India planned boycotts, a hunger strike and attempts to block or shorten screenings.
The plot of the movie, adapted by Ron Howard from Dan Brown's worldwide best seller, makes the case that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children with her. (Read: Getting ready for "Da Vinci" premiere)
In India, the government Tuesday put a temporary hold on the movie's release because of complaints.
In South Korea, which has 13 million Protestants and 4.6 million Roman Catholics, a court ruled Tuesday that a Christian group's request for an injunction to block screenings lacked merit.
"As it is clear that the novel and movie are all fiction ... there is no probability that the movie can make viewers mistakenly believe the contents of the movie are facts," chief judge Song Jin-hyun said in his ruling.
The Christian Council of Korea, an umbrella group of 63 South Korean Protestant denominations, said it respected the ruling but would lead a boycott of the movie, which it said defiles the sanctity of Jesus Christ and distorts facts.
In Thailand, Christian groups demanded that government censors cut the film's final 15 minutes, fix subtitles that are supposedly disrespectful to Jesus and screen messages before and after the movie saying the content is fictional.
"If they are going to screen this, we asked that they cut out the conclusion of the movie that Jesus still has heirs alive today," said spokesman Manoch Jangmook, of the Evangelical Fellowship of Thailand.
The censor board has not yet replied to the request. The movie is scheduled to start running Thursday in Thai theaters.
In mostly Hindu India, which is also home to 18 million Roman Catholics, Joseph Dias, head of the Catholic Secular Forum, began a hunger strike in downtown Bombay and said other people were joining him.
"We want the movie to be banned," he said.
The film had been set for release in India on Friday and had already been cleared by the national censor board. But Information and Broadcasting Minister Priya Ranjan Dasmunshi said he put a temporary hold on the movie after receiving more than 200 complaints.
"We are a secular country. On any sensitive issue, we should take action after we examine every aspect," Dasmunshi told reporters.
In Athens, Greece, some 200 religious protesters, waving crucifixes and Greek flags, demonstrated Tuesday in protest of the film. The protesters -- including Orthodox monks and nuns -- later marched peacefully to parliament.
"All religions merit respect, so why don't they show respect in this case instead of attacking all that we hold sacred?" said Athanasios Papageorgiou, president of St. John the Theologian group in Peania, east of Athens.
"I've read the book. It's despicable," he added. "The Muslims for one cartoon burnt anything, so what should we do?"
Greece's powerful Orthodox Church has blasted the "ridiculous content" of the movie but stopped short of calling for its boycott.
Philippine censors approved an adult rating for the movie but stopped short of rating it "X" because "it does not constitute a clear, express or direct attack on the Catholic church or religion" and does not libel or defame any person.
The movie-review panel's chairwoman, Marissa Laguardia, told The Associated Press that the movie would be a "test of faith" for many people in the predominantly Roman Catholic Philippines.
"Those groups, like the conservatives who want it banned, maybe they can tell their friends, discourage their friends from watching it," she said. "But it has to be shown. Otherwise we will be the only country that will not show this film. Thirty-six countries have already reviewed this film and they have not banned it. So are we just out of the Stone Age?"
The National Council of Churches in Singapore, which also had requested a ban, planned lectures to refute aspects of the film and the book on which it is based. The censorship board gave the movie an NC16 rating, barring viewers under 16, arguing that "only a mature audience will be able to discern and differentiate between fact and fiction."
Also, while not planning a protest or boycott, members of the National Organization for Albinism and Hypopigmentation expressed unhappiness with the film's heavy, a monk-assassin, being an albino, as described in the book.
Michael McGowan, an albino who heads the organization, said "The Da Vinci Code" will be the 68th movie since 1960 to feature an evil albino.
The "Da Vinci" character "is just the latest in a long string," McGowan said. "The problem is there has been no balance. There are no realistic, sympathetic or heroic characters with albinism that you can find in movies or popular culture."
He said the group aims to use the movie's popularity to raise awareness about the realities of albinism. People with albinism have little or no pigmentation in their skin, eyes and hair.
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| kamil |
| religion, mans biggest bull invention.......... |
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