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"Vote Hillary Clinton 2016" is dead. Long live "Vote Hillary Clinton 2016"! (pg. 54)
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
Exactly, it's ing draining to keep up with this but I can't look away. |
I'm there with you Kenny.
It's like watching a multilane freeway (motorway for my euros) pile up in slow motion.
I can't actually believe how stunningly Trump is at managing people and an organization that was already in place, with majority rule.
But I'm most stunned by the fact his approval rating is still 39%, and 85% of republicans apparently think he's doing a good job.
The part that most bothers me is the mental gymnastics.
When the news broke today about Trump dictating the public statement to Jnr about what happened in that Russian adoption meeting (lol), Sanders abee actually said in the the press briefing: "He helped his son, like any father would".
Yes, a 39 year old son, who met with Russians to discuss illegally obtained data in exchange for lifting sanctions on Putin.
, if you put this is a script, you'd get told to stop writing such unbelievable nonsense.
The irony of Drain that swamp and lock her up. It would be funny if it wasn't real. |
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| wotyzoid |
I hope this Russian dossier is real.
Edit: or even better, I hope Mueller already found tons of evidence of collusion and that trump was too stupid to realize he was breaking the law until it was too late |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
I hope this Russian dossier is real. |
Well a lot of it has panned out (Magnitsky, Agalarov etc) and a fair amount has been completely dubunked.
The bizarre thing is that the company that compiled it, FusionGPS also worked to help get the settlement for the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya against the DOJ.....the same Natalia that was at the Trump jnr meeting, and the same suit that was meant to be for $230m+, but got settled for less than $6m.....just a month after Trump fired the US attorney leading the proescution Preet Bahara. (Natalia called it "the closest thing to an apology from the USA" on RT).
So it's likely FusionGPS compiled the dossier from what they learned while working for her firm during the settlement, which means at least parts of it is going to be true.
What i'm worried about is us just getting numb/conditioned to think it's all normal to have such a barage of incredulous news every single day, while he slowly dismantles crucial agencies such the EPA and the Ethics Commission. |
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| wotyzoid |
| Wasn't she proven to be here to try to get rid of the magnitsky act? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
Wasn't she proven to be here to try to get rid the magnitsky act? |
Yep. She set up an NGO which looks like it's an adoption charity, but it's simply a lobbying vehicle for the overturn of the magnitsky act.
It's sounds conspiratorial but here's the short version.
Magnitsky, a russian lawyer, was hired by an American Hedge Fund manager/owner in Russia, as he noticed some irregularities in some financial dealings involving the partially state owned company Prevazon.
Magnitsky uncovered a massive fraud where documents were being forged by state officials to the tune of $230.
Magnitsky was arrested and beaten to death over the following weeks while he was held without charge.
in response, the USA put a bill in law (bipartisan support) that targeted 18 billionaire Russians in Putin's inner circle, who were all involved in the Prevazon scam.
This has been a huge thorn in Putin's side and became his greatest annoyance, as it's alleged that a lot of Putin's extreme wealth was also caught up in the sanctions from the Magnitsky act.
In retalliation, Putin signed in to law a bill that prevents Americans from adopting Russian orphans (see the link?).
Ever since the magnitsky act went in to force and the prevazon lawsuit was working it's way through the courts, with Preet Behara in charge of prosecuting it.
Natalia Veselnitskaya used to work at the ministry of transport for putin, and prevazon is the largest rail company in Russia, owned mainly by Petr Katsyv, whose son Denis Katsyv hired Natalia Veselnitskaya to represent them in the fraud case.
She had been denied a visa (twice) but was suddenly granted entry, even though she didn't have a valid visa, on the grounds the case could not go forward without her being able to represent her client.
...but we now know, she tacked on that now infamous Trump Tower meeting at the same time, where it's transpired she offered emails for leniency.
Fast forward 9 months, Trump wins, Behara gets fired, and a couple of weeks later, on the night of the trial date for Prevezon, the case is settled for a fraction of what it was worth, in an amount that Natalia Veselnitskaya described as an "apology" for bringing the case.
There's so much more to it, and if you have time, read Bill Browder's (who hired magnitsky) full senate testimony which lays the whole situation bare:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...mmittee/534864/
And the same hour Bill Browder gives his sanate testimony, Anthony Scaramucci decides to have a spontanous, full-on expletive loaded meltdown that grabs everyone's attention.
Just like when the healthcare bill failed, Trump annouces on Twitter that Trans are now banned from the military....without talking to the military or telling anyone before hand. |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Well a lot of it has panned out (Magnitsky, Agalarov etc) and a fair amount has been completely dubunked.
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What has been debunked? For the most part, all I have seen that "debunks" it has just been denial from Russian sources and the Kremlin. That doesn't really qualify, to me.
http://annotateddossier.com/
Edit: I see that Cohen didn't travel to Prague at the end of last year. |
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| wotyzoid |
| How many Michael Cohen's do you guys think exist in this world? |
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| ziptnf |
Yeah, that was what the intelligence agencies were saying, that it was probably a different Michael Cohen, as unbelievable as that might sound.
He posted a picture of the OUTSIDE of his passport, and the Czech Republic is part of the Schengen Area, meaning he could fly to one of 25 other European countries and simply drive to Prague without even showing ID at the border. No Czech stamp required.
Not saying he's been, but that's not good evidence that he hasn't.
Anyway, it's a 35 page document of raw data from sources, not in-depth analysis. It's more of a roadmap of what to examine and investigate than it is a definitive accounting of events. |
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| Jon_Snow |
The Russians offered help to the Trump campaign and they took it. What they actually received and whether they could have won the election without it is a moot point.
Russia wouldn't use anyone directly tied to the government to pass along information so it makes sense they would ask Magnitsky meet under another pretext.
Depending on how badly you don't want to know the truth you can find something to cling to convince yourself of the contrary. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Trump supporters to care about the facts, the truth, integrity... it's all fake news. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jon_Snow
The Russians offered help to the Trump campaign and they took it. What they actually received and whether they could have won the election without it is a moot point. |
No it's not, that's the whole point of this. If it's proved that they coordinated and the Russians interfered and helped the campaign explictly, that is collusion, and illegal. |
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| wotyzoid |
| Meaning, and I'm no lawyer but, there are only two emails that would possibly prove what we all presume to have been, "that Russia offered help and the campaign accepted", and I dont think that's enough to hold up in court. There needs to be something solid and undeniable. |
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