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The FIFA 2018 World Cup Thread (pg. 27)
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| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Actually, I'm team Neymar this time.
He's clearly aiming at Neymar's |
That sh*t was so dirty. I can’t believe the other Brazil players didn’t check him for that. I was screaming. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Actually, I'm team Neymar this time.
Layun stood on Neymar's injured ankle. Before that, Brazilian TV got a glimpse of Layun pretty much roundhouse kicking Neymar before while the game was going on elsewhere. There's very good video evidence of the stomp. I'm sure the Swiss cleats ealirer in the tournament wouldn't have made as many holes as they made one Neymar if they all kicked along a wheel of Swiss cheese. I mean, look at this:
He's clearly aiming at Neymar's Achilles' heel, and the referee is right there. Also, back in 2014 when we didn't know the 7-1 was about to happen, he was pretty much knocked out of the tournament by a flying kick to the back delivered by a Colombian in the final minutes of the quarterfinals - that's how violent it got - and that's what eventually brought us down against Germany. So, yeah, if being a punching bag doesn't warrant you protection against more physical opponents, wouldn't you try to draw attention to what was going on in the most obvious possible way?
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The video actually proves the point;
Yes, Layun puts pressure on his foot, it's an off ball foul for sure....but just look at the timing. Naymar doesn't even react at all while this epi-fit inducing, paralyzing injury is actually taking place.
In fact magically, Neymar doesn't realize the injury until until he sees it then and the foot is removed, at which point he begins his annual entry in to the Cooper's hill cheese rolling festival.
It's become endemic to his game and I hope the exact opposite happens with the refs, and they penalize him for making a mockery of the game.
| quote: | | Originally posted by SYSTEM-JDamn right, because most of the time he isn't even being fouled. He's looking for carte blanche to try risky dribbles, and he goes down constantly when he overruns the ball. If you start rolling around pathetically after mild and legal contact, it completely undermines those hilarious overreactions when they follow real fouls. The alternative is that refs believe his histrionics and give fouls whenever he asks for them. Of course, biased Brazil fans would love that. If he just reacted normally and proportionally, he'd get normal and proportional refereeing. |
This is so spot on; Neymar wants free run of the pitch and will eat grass to foul bait if you look just him the wrong way. It nearly always happens when some tricky little move he's doing doesn't pan out or he wants to impede (yellow card) someone that's marked him the whole game.
He does get fouled, like everyone does in any game, it's the reactions, the overacting and prissy demeanor that bad for the game and his team. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Weird. I've read that article all the way through and I still can't see any stat for number of times Neymar claimed he was fouled against fouls actually given, nor any kind of analysis as to how that ratio compares to other players. Must be my Maths A-Level acting up this time. |
| quote: | | It was also the most fouls suffered by a Brazilian in a World Cup match since 1966,_ESPN_reports. |
https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNStat...443289937367040
You wanna keep going, or are you gonna go for the 'fake news' dismissal? |
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| wotyzoid |
| You guys could jump on the hate bandwagon all you want. Call him a bitch, a , say he's mocking the game. It's not gonna change anything, because a foul is a foul. Everybody gets fouled? Yes, let me step on your hurt ankle after youve been 3 months off the field because of it and let's see how you like it. You people are ing idiots, he's rich as , one of the best players in the world right now. He doesn't give a what you think about him. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
You've just repeated the same information from your previous article, you ing cretin. Do you think just repeating the same uncontextualised stat over and over will suddenly prove something? Is it beyond the comprehension of your tiny mind that unless you first post the number of times Neymar was dispossessed or tackled, your floating number in no way demonstrates that Neymar was fouled more often than tackled legitimately? And that you'd need to provide the same stat for all four games played so far, rather than arbitrarily limiting your sample size, to determine that overall?
He gets fouled a lot. He also dives a lot. The two are not mutually irreconcilable possibilities. |
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| wotyzoid |
Look up the context yourself, my claim is the supported by this tweet from a credible source. Do you want to claim it false or not? And now youre moving the goal post too? First it was "because most of the time he isn't even being fouled" and now its "he gets fouled a lot"? You cant even keep your story straight. I think you're a little bitch.
Edit: and you see why right? Your arguments are so intellectually dishonest, that despite all the veiling you do with your vocabulary its still too easy to point out how you're wrong. Because you want nothing more than to be right, and its sad. As much as I enjoy our rivalry, I feel I have to move on to bigger and better things. You are too predictible of an opponent, its too easy to get you off your tracks. I've outgrown you. Im sorry. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Arf. This is ing hilarious. Let's illustrate a basic concept with a hypothetical set of numbers:
> Player is tackled 30 times in a game.
> Player is fouled 10 times in a game.
> On the majority of the occasions the player was tackled, he wasn't fouled.
Whether or not 10 times is a 20 year record is not relevant to that third point. Until you can provide the real number instead of that "30", you haven't disproven my assertion at all, despite your limp-wristed attempt at emulated hyper-pedantry. And why the should I look up your number for you? It's your claim, you support it.
Neymar hogs the ball. He dribbles at every available opportunity. He also tries high risk dribbles, very frequently coming infield into traffic. It's very obvious that a player with this style is going to be tackled (and fouled) a high number of times.
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
He doesn't give a what you think about him. |
Clearly not. |
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| DJ RANN |
Kenny, you're just salty (which is ironic) that Neymar is getting right called out by anyone watching the game.
I mean, just google the term neymar diving, and you're hit with an oblivion on memes, greatest rolls compliations and gifs mocking his antics.
you're also not factoring in that as talented as his is with the ball, he's also a talented foul baiter so it's not remotely surprising he managed to glean that many fouls in a game where his counterpart had done a great job of shutting him down.
By the way, that stat you threw out (that I can't find on any legit FIFA site - only CBS and ESPN) states it's the most since alan shearer was fouled 11 times in 1998.
I bet you can't find footage of shearer rolling around the ground and screaming for pain in that match eh?
I'd love to know the stats of other players in this world cup. I'll bet they all sit around 6-8 in the scrappy games. |
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| wotyzoid |
| Rann, I have one thing to say to you. Diving is part of the game, baiting fouls is a trait of any competent offensive player. Deal with it. Its been that way for a while now and its rather convenient that people like you are choosing neymar to make a stand on it now that were actually in form. Deal with it. Im not salty, you're salty. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
By the way, Kenny, if you wanted to be a proper pedant and take my wording literally as a rhetorical bludgeon, you would have made yourself look like much less of a wit if you'd just asked me to post some stats of my own to back up my assertion. But that's gone now, and instead you're bumbling around making a fool out of yourself.
Back to the match, and it always amuses me how God Save The Queen starts without warning and goes straight into the singing, leaving the entire stadium a bar or two behind as they try and catch up. |
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| wotyzoid |
| Funny long post attempts at recovery, my point has been proven. Tasty tears. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
This is going to be a tense game. Colombia are pressing hard and defending ferociously. They're the kind of opponent who can murder you if you make a mistake in the wrong place. We're playing okay though. The boys look less nervous than I feel sitting here. We just need better delivery from set pieces.
EDIT: Mina has been an absolute monster at the back for Colombia. Sterling looks as useless as ever. These two teams look so well matched. |
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