Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
so where are all the peer-reviewed articles published in engineering journals that substantiate this "fact"??
You know all, stop pretending to know what you are talking about.
culorut
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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
One word. Jews. More specifically, Jewish central bankers. Is it a coincidence a Jew is the chairman of the Federal Reserve? I think not!:haha:
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
culorut also believes that cheney gave a "stand down" order so that nobody would shoot down the plane that was headed to the pentagon AND that no plane crashed at the pentagon :crazy:
I'll let Jimmy takeover from here,
richard raiban
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Originally posted by culorut
I'm not confused at all. There were multiple 9/11 pre warnings from within US Intel and many other countries going back for years. The government blocked many and simply ignored them.
No 9/11 = No American invasion into the middle east.
EXACTLY! i tried replying on your behalf... ;)
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Originally posted by richard raiban
The US government needed 9/11 to happen so that they could begin the "WAR ON TERROR" (The Carlyle Group benefits)
yes, that is exactly what the US did, they covered it up. The planes crashed into the buildings which was operated by "al-quada members" but it was the controlled demolition that brought the towers down. That's exactly what they want the American people to think (Al Quada Extremists). George W Bush authorized for more than $48 Billion for National Defense (the largest increase). Who stands to benefit from that? Who else, The Carlyle Group. Who is a major player for the Carlyle Group? George Bush Sr. They are so war driven and plotted 9/11 for that exact reason (among many other reasons). Plaster "Terror" all over the news, media, news papers etc in the faces of a nation and eventually they believe in it and encourage it and there you have it.
Man, i didn't even know about the other thread but based on what I just quoted from you this is what he meant (i'm sure) since we seem to be on the same page on this matter.
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Originally posted by culorut
I'll let Jimmy takeover from here,
:stongue:
culorut
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Originally posted by richard raiban
EXACTLY! i tried replying on your behalf... ;)
Thanks, I wouldn't count on these jerk offs to change their tune. It's only been stated to them over and over for a few years now. Oddly enough they keep asking the same retarded questions, PKC keeps whipping out his "where is your peer reviewed...." excuse but has not bothered to read even his own story he violently defends. Complete ing fraud.
richard raiban
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Originally posted by culorut
Thanks, I wouldn't count on these jerk offs to change their tune. It's only been stated to them over and over for a few years now. Oddly enough they keep asking the same retarded questions, PKC keeps whipping out his "where is your peer reviewed...." excuse but has not bothered to read even his own story he violently defends. Complete ing fraud.
yup
Comrade Stalin
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Originally posted by richard raiban
The US government needed 9/11 to happen so that they could begin the "WAR ON TERROR" (The Carlyle Group benefits)
yes, that is exactly what the US did, they covered it up. The planes crashed into the buildings which was operated by "al-quada members" but it was the controlled demolition that brought the towers down. That's exactly what they want the American people to think (Al Quada Extremists). George W Bush authorized for more than $48 Billion for National Defense (the largest increase). Who stands to benefit from that? Who else, The Carlyle Group. Who is a major player for the Carlyle Group? George Bush Sr. They are war driven and plotted 9/11 for that exact reason. Plaster "Terror" in the faces of a nation and eventrually they believe in it and encourage it and there you have it.
Man, i didn't even know about the other thread but based on what I just quoted from you this is what he meant (i'm sure) since we seem to be on the same page on this matter.
If our court system used the standard of truth you've just demonstrated, we'd all be ed. I mean seriously, who watches two huge commercial airliners crash head on into a building and then say it was a controlled demolition (with zero forensic evidence to back it up)? You would...Really is pathetic. I could care less about whatever you have to say about the Carlyle Group. They are war profiteers, nothing more, nothing less. Period.
Comrade Stalin
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Originally posted by culorut
I'm not confused at all. There were multiple 9/11 pre warnings from within US Intel and many other countries going back for years. The government blocked many and simply ignored them.
No 9/11 = No American invasion into the middle east.
You are confused. You think the US government blew up the buildings and shot a missile into the Pentagon. Now you say, "There were multiple 9/11 pre warnings from within US Intel and many other countries going back for years." But if the US government is behind 9/11, once again, they ignored intel warnings on themselves right? LOL! :haha:
Comrade Stalin
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Originally posted by culorut
Thanks, I wouldn't count on these jerk offs to change their tune. It's only been stated to them over and over for a few years now. Oddly enough they keep asking the same retarded questions, PKC keeps whipping out his "where is your peer reviewed...." excuse but has not bothered to read even his own story he violently defends. Complete ing fraud.
Peer-reviewed publications are THE ONLY accepted standard of scientific truth. It's not our fault you and your "movement" can't adhere to this basic standard of inquiry. You know what else doesn't hold up to this standard? Religion. 9/11 truth is a disgusting religion.
basilisk
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Originally posted by richard raiban
The US government needed 9/11 to happen so that they could begin the "WAR ON TERROR" (The Carlyle Group benefits)
yes, that is exactly what the US did, they covered it up. The planes crashed into the buildings which was operated by "al-quada members" but it was the controlled demolition that brought the towers down.
I always wonder why you would want to invoke controlled demolition. The evidence isn't there, the physics don't support it, and you don't need CD to support the notion that rich white guys let it happen so they could start an unjust war and make a fortune.
That last bit doesn't seem all that unlikely to me--though it's difficult to produce a testable hypothesis. Controlled demolition is another matter. You can ask: what sort of explosive would have been required? How much? What sort of residue would it leave? How could those who planted the charges be sure no one would leak the story? It is entirely valid to treat it like a thought experiment and work backwards to arrive at some kind of scenario. The problem is, anytime this is done you run up against the laws of physics and the lack of physical evidence. (We could get into this but trust me--I have watched the Youtube videos and read the original research. It doesn't amount to anything IMO, but I am not an expert in analytical chemistry or engineering. Then again, the overwhelming majority of experts also fail to find Jones' research credible.)
I get why the physical component is important people. Arguing the geopolitics is forever ambiguous. Yes, Bush and his cronies acted out of self-interest and did all sorts of heinous things. But they didn't leave much of a paper trail so it's all up in the air: how much they knew, when they knew it, etc. Without evidence all we have is our gut feeling.
So the CTs have turned to Youtube to make a case for physical evidence. The issue: as much as physical evidence would create a rock-solid case for Truther concerns, claims of this nature can be evaluated scientifically (unlike geopolitical matters). It's a double-edged sword, you see? And the razor-sharp edge of science has come down in favour of the NIST report, random Youtube videos and non-expert testimony notwithstanding.
Let me sum it up: the evidence for controlled demolition is extremely poor but this has little bearing on whether American foreign policy is orchestrated by shape-changing space lizards. Really. In other words, you don't need CD to advance a conspiracy theory about 9/11 being an inside job. If they're so crafty they could have masterminded the whole multiple plan hijacking thing (which, you know, we do have pretty good evidence for, unlike CD). At the root of all this is an irrational inability to accept that hurling jumbo jets at skyscrapers might knock them down! Why is that?
And again, perhaps someone can answer my long-standing question: if 9/11 was an inside job and the towers were taken down by controlled demolition then why was WTC 7 blown up hours after the fact? It hardly seems like the mark of a perfectly executed conspiracy. Someone couldn't find the trigger for five hours? And this is just one of many questions that would need to be answered for anyone to take controlled demolition seriously.
If you guys are serious about CD I think the very first thing you would need to demonstrate is how plausible it is. What explosives, how much, when and how were they planted, etc.? I've looked into this aspect of CD and it doesn't seem possible, not when you consider the mass of explosives that would be needed (and the manpower to install it all). "Nano-thermite" is constantly bandied around but it is a poor choice for demolition: the explosion isn't directed. No professional would use it. And so on. There's a whole web-work of stuff here that makes CD extremely unlikely.
Of course, if you have some better evidence that I am not aware of... please feel free to bring it up.
jon jon
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Originally posted by basilisk
unbelievably well said... you must have an english degree... (or u mad smartz)
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by culorut
You know all, stop pretending to know what you are talking about.
Oh wise one, please tell us what happened then :stongue:
Explain to me exactly what hit the pentagon and how there were tons of airplane remnants on the scene.
This should be good.
culorut
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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
You are confused. You think the US government blew up the buildings and shot a missile into the Pentagon. Now you say, "There were multiple 9/11 pre warnings from within US Intel and many other countries going back for years." But if the US government is behind 9/11, once again, they ignored intel warnings on themselves right? LOL! :haha:
Again I'm not confused at all, 9/11 was a black ops. Without it there would have been absolutely zero support for US occupancy in the middle east. You keep generalizing people and ignoring the points which you brought up that were proven wrong.
You keep playing the GOP (2001-2009) were a bunch of idiots card when in reality they were really playing everyone else but them for fools throughout.
