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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
A B-25 Bomber crashed into the Empire state building in 1945, the building did not collapse due to the crash or the fires.
Care to provide an example of a steel framed building that collapsed at nearly the rate of free fall before or after 9/11 due to fires? |
more ignorant comparisons from cretinrot! :haha:
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These two situations aren't entirely comparable.
The maximum weight of a B-25 ranged from 27,100 lb to a limit of 41,800 lb, for instance (see www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/b25mitchell.html). A 767-200 ranges from 179,080 lbs (empty) to 395,000 lb (maximum takeoff load) (www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/jetliner/b767), and FEMA said the 9/11 planes had “an estimated gross weight of 274000 pounds” ( http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch1.pdf ).
The maximum speed of a B-25 ranged from 275 mph to 315 mph, depending on which version it was, and as the B-25 pilot was trying to avoid the building it's unlikely he'd have reached that (cruising speed was 230 mph). On 9/11, "American Airlines Flight 11 crashes at a speed of roughly 470 mph" and "United Airlines Flight 175 crashes at a speed of about 590 mph" (http://channel.nationalgeographic.c...1/timeline.html), a considerable difference when you factor in the extra mass as well.
The B-25 had a "normal total fuel load of 974 US gallons" (http://www.b25.net); a proportion of this would have been used already in the plane’s flight. By comparison, "it has been estimated that both UA Flight 175 and AA Flight 11 were carrying about 10,000 gallons of fuel when they impacted" (www.serendipity.li/wot/wtc_demolition_init.htm).
The end result of this was considerably less impact damage, as this photo shows.
Less structural damage meant no real issues in terms of supporting the load of the building above (which was constructed entirely differently from the WTC anyway). The considerably reduced fuel load meant fire was less of an issue, and the blaze that did arise was brought under control without much difficulty:
The 4-alarm fire brought every available piece of fire-fighting apparatus to the scene. As the building was evacuated, firemen spent about an hour extinguishing the flames.
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=179
At first glance it might look like the B-25 crash has some relevance to 9/11, then, but the facts say otherwise. The two events bear very little comparison, and it should be no surprise that they also had such very different outcomes. |
http://www.911myths.com/html/empire_state_b-25.html
like seriously, i posted this information for him several years ago. how slow must one be? :stongue: |
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| Claude Hughes |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
PKC, explain to everyone why you continue using a list of points to counter legitimate 9/11 information written by Donna Ferrente which is being used by member's with UFO/Alien avatars over at David Ickes (whack job) forum.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101997
You said yourself you have not even read the 9/11 Commission Report and have been lying about it for years, you have been claiming you're an expert on the subject but really know all about it.
At least do the favor to your blind fan boys, they deserve an explanation. I could care less about your bull, time's up troll. |
LOL GRAND SLAM!!! |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Claude Hughes
i love gobbling cretinrot's cock |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
Where did I deny it? No where. See, this is a classic example of where you twist the truth to suite your preconceived ideological world view. Rex 84 certainly exists, so what? The only thing to come out of this FEMA concentration camp stuff is flat out lies (i.e. photo-shopped satellite pictures of a North Korean prison camp and calling that a FEMA concentration camp). And to think Rex 84 was a part of some NWO plot to turn America into a fascist state, is just loony, and again, falsification of the truth.
Martial law isn't being implemented, so could you please, just shut the up about it? Are you seriously that paranoid? |
Was Halliburton's (Cheney) 385 million dollar detention contract also photoshopped?
Ever bothered to take a good look at some of the executive orders passed by your government while you were too busy watching Fox News Comrade?
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 - allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 - allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 - allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 - allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 - allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 - allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 - designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 - allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 - allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 - allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 - specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 - grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 - assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 - allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation.
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| culorut |
Donna ing Correntes and her bulletin list from whackjob.com used in conjunction with 911myths.com
This changes everything! |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Donna ing Correntes and her bulletin list from whackjob.com used in conjunction with 911myths.com
This changes everything! |
:haha:
cretinrot thinks a B-25 and 767 are the same.
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The fire took only 40 minutes to extinguish.
B-25: loaded weight 33,500 lb, fuel capacity 670 gallons, hit ESB at approx 150 mph.
The 767s that hit the WTC weighed about 280,000 lbs and held over 10,000 gallons of fuel each. They hit the World Trade Center with over 200 times the kinetic energy of the B-25 that hit the ESB. |
nice comparison moron! :haha: |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
if any country declares martial law, they will take absolute control of all transportation, arrest people and detain them like mad, as well as make life suck in general in pretty much every regard.
even canada dumbass.
contingency plans exist in every country. they aren't proof of anything other than wanting to keep a certain infrastructure intact during moments of duress.
those evil bastards! |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Originally posted by Claude Hughes
i love gobbling cretinrot's cock |
Don't tarnish Claude's image like that.
Leaked intel shows you ass raping Comrade Stalin without at least having the decency to give him a one armed hug. |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
cretinrot thinks a B-25 and 767 are the same. |
Never said they were, have any input on a building that was completed in the 1930's compared to the WTC buildings which were completed about 40 years later and built to withstand multiple aircraft strikes? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Never said they were, |
so why lie and attempt to compare them, idiot?
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
have any input on a building that was completed in the 1930's compared to the WTC buildings which were completed about 40 years later and built to withstand multiple aircraft strikes? |
exactly. the empire state and the WTCs were completely different buildings. so comparing them is retarded. you are retarded. your mother was retarded.
i guess the titanic never sank because it was built to be unsinkable, right? :haha: i love engineering cretins! they assume that anything is possible and buildings are infallible. ROFL. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Never said they were, have any input on a building that was completed in the 1930's compared to the WTC buildings which were completed about 40 years later and built to withstand multiple aircraft strikes? |
136080 kg vs 15200 kg
earthquake proof buildings have failed as well, it doesn't mean that the government caused the earthquake.
i forgot i'm on ignore because you are a weakling. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| pkc you love the new name, admit it. |
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