Originally posted by culorut
Those are just more ing morons who are trying to derail what's really important. Just as useless as the your posting from abovetopsecret.com
They are almost as entertaining as the official story put out by the government, 9/11 Commission, FEMA and NIST.
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Originally posted by culorut
Supposedly Flight 77, you have any conclusive proof?
Awesome! :haha:
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by Claude Hughes
Awesome! :haha:
hey nimrod did you get an erection yet? Obviously a plane hence the airplane debris and damage into the building...
instead of laughing like a prepubescent 6 year old girl who got her first my little pony, pay some attention here and understand what logical means.
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by culorut
No you're a ing idiot if you think there is not clear footage of what did crash into the Pentagon.
The place is monitored 24/7 right down to the last square inch. It is the most secure building in the world.
you forgot to mention alien experimentation and microchips in brains. Have you ever seen what security camera footage looks like? I'll tell you, it doesnt usually have thx sound with steven speilberg behind the cameraman telling him the precise angles to get. It's usually grainy footage with a low frame rate. This is 2001 and i don't think they really needed microscopically precise footage to catch license plates running through a checkpoint.
Spam
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Originally posted by Euphorica
with a whole bunch of footage(frames removed)
why would they do that? and the quality of that footage is good enough to clearly see what hits it...if they gave us all the frames.
never mind the rest of the footage that they took away(and hasnt been released)
No frames were removed, the camera has a low frame-rate. Lots of security cameras, especially out-door cameras, work on a 2-3 second frame-rate.
How can you not already know this?
DaRoZa
didn't they release that security footage years later? wouldn't they have had the time/resources to clearly photoshop a plane in one of the frames in that time?
basilisk
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Originally posted by culorut
Those are just more ing morons who are trying to derail what's really important. Just as useless as the your posting from abovetopsecret.com
It is a very thorough collection of photographic evidence of plane wreckage from the same type of plane that supposedly smashed into the Pentagon.
Do you have a substantive response or are you just going to wave your hands and call it useless without backing yourself up at all? It is expected by now but it couldn't hurt to ask...
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Originally posted by culorut
Supposedly Flight 77, you have any conclusive proof?
It is a very thorough collection of photographic evidence of plane wreckage from the same type of plane that supposedly smashed into the Pentagon.
Do you have a substantive response or are you just going to wave your hands and call it useless without backing yourself up at all? It is expected by now but it couldn't hurt to ask...
And again, you have dodged the question. What do you think hit the Pentagon, if anything? What is your theory? Missile? Explosion from within? What?
You have got to be ing kidding me. Why not just look at the official reports for conclusive evidence instead of posting from abovetopsecert.com? You actually believe that website holds any weight, it's for 12 year old's.
There are a bunch pictures with arrows drawn in pointing to garbage on the floor identifying it as an airplane wheel. Seriously thanks for the laugh.
How come all of you have been ignoring the thousands of engineers, pilots, air force commanders, 9/11 Commission board members and witnesses saying otherwise that have read the official reports and were actually there (again not some from abovetopsecret.com), who's really avoiding the credible sources here?
Better yet what would you think holds up better in court, a twelve year old's explanation from ATS.com or air force/commercial pilots with a few hundred thousand hours of experience combined (some which actually flew the very same planes which supposedly crashed).
You are going to have to do much better then ATS.com, if that's the best you got you should definitely stop now.
culorut
This is just a small sample size of legitimate people telling you flat out that 9/11 was a scam, not some retards from ATS.
Pilots, you know those people who actually fly planes......
John Lear - Retired commercial airline pilot with over 19,000+ total hours flown in over 100 different types of planes for 10 different airlines in 60 different countries around the world. Flew for over 40 years. Holds every certificate ever offered by the FAA and has 23 different FAA type ratings. Held 17 world records including speed around the world in a Lear Jet Model 24, set in 1966. He was presented with the PATCO award for outstanding airmanship in 1968, and the Symons Wave memorial. Flight experience includes Boeing 707 and 727, McDonnell Douglas DC-8, Lockheed L-1011 and many others. Son of Bill Lear, founder of Lear Jet Corp.
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Well, you know, five minutes after it happened, I knew that it was a scam. ... No Boeing 757 ever crashed into the Pentagon. No Boeing 757 ever crashed at Shanksville. ... And no Arab hijacker, ever in a million years, ever flew into the World Trade Center. And if you got 30 minutes I'll tell you exactly why he couldn't do it the first time. Now, I'd have trouble doing it the first time.
Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force - Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC). Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions.
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"I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."
Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force - Former combat fighter pilot. Aerospace engineer. Currently Captain at a major airline. Combat experience includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle and General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber. Former President, U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board. Also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review. Awarded Distinguish Flying Cross for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals. 20-year Air Force career.
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"After I did my own analysis of it, it's obvious that there's discrepancies between the two stories; between the 9/11 Commission and the flight data recorder information. And I think that's where we really need to focus a lot of our attention to get the help that we need in order to put pressure on government agencies to actually do a real investigation of 9/11. And not just from a security standpoint, but from even an aviation standpoint, like any accident investigation would actually help the aviators out by finding reasons for things happening. ...
Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force - FAA certified commercial pilot. Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career. FAA certified Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic.
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"In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident.
The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view."
basilisk
You still haven't answered the question. What do you think happened at the Pentagon? Controlled explosion? Missile? Something else?
Is the "garbage on the floor" in some of those photos not an airplane wheel? You ask for some kind of evidence and that seems like a fine starting place. But nothing is starting, you've just dismissed it all out of hand. I'd say because it doesn't fit your world-view... but hell, no one has any idea what that is yet because you never answer simple questions in your own words!
culorut
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Originally posted by basilisk
You still haven't answered the question. What do you think happened at the Pentagon? Controlled explosion? Missile? Something else?
Is the "garbage on the floor" in some of those photos not an airplane wheel? You ask for some kind of evidence and that seems like a fine starting place. But nothing is starting, you've just dismissed it all out of hand. I'd say because it doesn't fit your world-view... but hell, no one has any idea what that is yet because you never answer simple questions in your own words!
Something else because the experts say so, which I re-quoted for you a couple of posts above to drive it home. I would hardly call a pre-school write up from a user named "CatHerder" on abovetopsecret.com conclusive. Try taking that to a court room and see how it would hold up if you are really convinced.
Below is the type of stuff that is severely wrong with the garbage CatHerder (LOL) posted as evidence in the link you provided,
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Below, another photo of a tire with the same pattern as ones used on a 757, found in the Pentagon wreckage.
Oh really?
So I will ask again, start providing some conclusive evidence by credible people that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. I might then start taking you seriously, and no abovetopsecret.com doesn't count.
Spam
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Originally posted by culorut
Something else because the experts say so, which I re-quoted for you a couple of posts above to drive it home. I would hardly call a pre-school write up from a user named "CatHerder" on abovetopsecret.com conclusive. Try taking that to a court room and see how it would hold up if you are really convinced.
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So I will ask again, start providing some conclusive evidence by credible people that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. I might then start taking you seriously, and no abovetopsecret.com doesn't count.
Oh the irony.
culorut
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Originally posted by Spam
Oh the irony.
You can't differentiate between pilots who have have hundreds of thousands of hours between them and which flew the very same planes used on 9/11, thousands of verified engineers, 9/11 Commission board members, eyewitnesses, firefighters and rescue workers that were actually there over some guy named "CatHerder" on a website named abovetopsecret.com?
