Originally posted by richard raiban
That doesn't answer anything.
No? Why not? I could have sworn your question was "what do you think happened" and Moral Hazard gave a good answer.
Of course, you (and the rest of the CT proponents) have yet to respond to these simple questions:
1) What was rigged for controlled demolition on 9/11: WTC 7, the twin towers, the Pentagon, or other structures?
2) How were the planes hijacked and by whom? (I've seen some allusions to Al-Qaeda being made up so I am curious to know who was responsible: US government operatives or what?)
3) Did a plane hit the Pentagon or was it something else?
Basic stuff, really. But I still don't know where any of you stand on these points... except culorat evidently believes WTC 7 was destroyed with a controlled demolition hours after the twin towers fell.
I mean, the default CT position seems to be this: planes hijacked by people who don't really exist were flown into the twin towers, a missile was fired at the Pentagon, and WTC 7 was destroyed by controlled demolition. Maybe the twin towers too, who knows? It's a veritable grab bag of different physical mechanisms. I mean, really... missiles, planes, and controlled demolition, all in one master plan. Pretty cool if true.
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Originally posted by richard raiban
Let's speculate here.
That's all we can really do about most aspects of 9/11.
Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
I guess in your case, idiocy can't be cured, huh?
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A great genius once said:
"You can't fix stupid."
QFT, mother******.
Moral Hazard
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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
All I/we ask is:
1) Forensic evidence that can be presented in court
:stongue: psst, Krypton... "Forensic" actually means "acceptable to a court." I'm not trying to be a prick here, just thought I'd clear that up. I presume you mean physical evidence or evidence that has been tested by experts and accepted into court.
Moral Hazard
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Originally posted by richard raiban
Do you think that the perhaps they were negligent purposely so that they "could" go to war since we all know how war driven the Bush clan is. Let's speculate here. Had the Bush Administration acted promptly and efficiently to prevent the attacks [which all of you are saying they didn't] then there would have been NO WAR correct?
I don't find it probable that the administration purposely allowed so many persons to be killed as a pre-text for war. There is little doubt that Cheney and Rumsfeld were calling for the US to get involved in a war since approx 1997 in order to reassert their military dominance (this is documented through position papers their consulting firm wrote during the late 90s). Clearly, they did use this event as an excuse for a war in Iraq... why Iraq; a) like the planet of Alderon, Afganistan is too remote to make an effective demonstration, and b) their Arabic allies wanted the US to remove their bases from their countries, new locations were needed, so Iraq was a good candidate to be overthrown and a "friendly" government established to play host to US forces in the region (for more on this I recommend Gwyne Dwyer's "The Mess They Made"). So I agree that the attacks were used as a pre-text for a war that they wanted for some time; however, if they had intended to manufacture a pre-text then they likely would have chosen something with less collateral damage. If they were intent on allowing something to happen they also would have chosen something with less collateral damage. It is far more plausable to believe that in the days following the attack Rumsfeld and Cheney realized that this attack could be exploited to be the catalyst for their war... additionally, since their earlier position pappers state that the war is necessary because the US was being viewed as weak or ineffectual militarily the attack they suffered would have (and did) further this perception, which made the case for war (in their eyes) stronger.
The negligence is clear; however, it's improbable that this was by intent and certainly there is no evidence to support that supposition.
culorut
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Originally posted by Moral Hazard
:stongue: psst, Krypton... "Forensic" actually means "acceptable to a court." I'm not trying to be a prick here, just thought I'd clear that up. I presume you mean physical evidence or evidence that has been tested by experts and accepted into court.
You mean like those official video's showing absolutely nothing, the fabricated 9/11 Commission and useless NIST/FEMA reports which you guys blindly believe in?
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by culorut
You mean like those official video's showing absolutely nothing, the fabricated 9/11 Commission and useless NIST/FEMA reports which you guys blindly believe in?
as opposed to what? A cargo plane flying by and dropping fabricated plane debris at the pentagon after an incognito missile attack?
Who are the blind ones here? How many times did your mother drop you as a child?
culorut
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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
as opposed to what? A cargo plane flying by and dropping fabricated plane debris at the pentagon after an incognito missile attack?
Who are the blind ones here? How many times did your mother drop you as a child?
Do you see a plane cause I don't. The government released only 5 frames of their supposed video evidence and manipulated the video. They said a plane hit the pentagon, where's the proof?
And no I could care less about pieces of scrap metal that were supposedly found on the lawn, none of it has ever been matched up to Flight 77.
culorut
John Lear - Retired commercial airline pilot with over 19,000+ total hours flown in over 100 different types of planes for 10 different airlines in 60 different countries around the world. Flew for over 40 years. Holds every certificate ever offered by the FAA and has 23 different FAA type ratings. Held 17 world records including speed around the world in a Lear Jet Model 24, set in 1966. He was presented with the PATCO award for outstanding airmanship in 1968, and the Symons Wave memorial. Flight experience includes Boeing 707 and 727, McDonnell Douglas DC-8, Lockheed L-1011 and many others. Son of Bill Lear, founder of Lear Jet Corp.
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Well, you know, five minutes after it happened, I knew that it was a scam. ... No Boeing 757 ever crashed into the Pentagon. No Boeing 757 ever crashed at Shanksville. ... And no Arab hijacker, ever in a million years, ever flew into the World Trade Center. And if you got 30 minutes I'll tell you exactly why he couldn't do it the first time. Now, I'd have trouble doing it the first time.
Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force - Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC). Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions.
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"I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."
Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force - Former combat fighter pilot. Aerospace engineer. Currently Captain at a major airline. Combat experience includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle and General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber. Former President, U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board. Also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review. Awarded Distinguish Flying Cross for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals. 20-year Air Force career.
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"After I did my own analysis of it, it's obvious that there's discrepancies between the two stories; between the 9/11 Commission and the flight data recorder information. And I think that's where we really need to focus a lot of our attention to get the help that we need in order to put pressure on government agencies to actually do a real investigation of 9/11. And not just from a security standpoint, but from even an aviation standpoint, like any accident investigation would actually help the aviators out by finding reasons for things happening. ...
Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force - FAA certified commercial pilot. Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career. FAA certified Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic.
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"In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident.
The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view."
basilisk
That's nice. I guess that means you believe in holograms and missiles? It's not exactly clear because you never answer any direct questions.
1) What was rigged for controlled demolition on 9/11: WTC 7, the twin towers, the Pentagon, or other structures?
2) How were the planes hijacked and by whom? (I've seen some allusions to Al-Qaeda being made up so I am curious to know who was responsible: US government operatives or what?)
3) Did a plane hit the Pentagon or was it something else?
Originally posted by basilisk
That's nice. I guess that means you believe in holograms and missiles? It's not exactly clear because you never answer any direct questions.
1) What was rigged for controlled demolition on 9/11: WTC 7, the twin towers, the Pentagon, or other structures?
2) How were the planes hijacked and by whom? (I've seen some allusions to Al-Qaeda being made up so I am curious to know who was responsible: US government operatives or what?)
3) Did a plane hit the Pentagon or was it something else?
Actually people like you are talking a lot of nonsense. Missiles and holograms? Care to quote me stating any of this or are you going to keep making stuff up and painting pictures of the ocean with black paint.
FYI, Al-Qaeda was a direct result of US involvement (black-ops) dating back a few decades. This is known fact and on the record.
Guess you conveniently missed my post a few pages back,
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Originally posted by culorut
Why look at the obvious?
