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| Member of X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamez214
He may still make the HoF... but certainly not first ballot. That would be like saying Barry Bonds won't make the HoF. |
I disagree. Bonds would make the Hall of Fame without his huge homer years as pretty much everyone thinks he wasn't taking the juice when he was hitting 30 bombs a year, stealing 30, and winning the gold glove. He just went from a Hall of Famer to maybe the best hitter ever.
Palmeiro though HAD to have the juice in order to juice up his stats to make it. I see a distinction in this particular case but there could be others that I would agree with you. Just not Bonds. |
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| Vlad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Member of X
I disagree. Bonds would make the Hall of Fame without his huge homer years as pretty much everyone thinks he wasn't taking the juice when he was hitting 30 bombs a year, stealing 30, and winning the gold glove. He just went from a Hall of Famer to maybe the best hitter ever.
Palmeiro though HAD to have the juice in order to juice up his stats to make it. I see a distinction in this particular case but there could be others that I would agree with you. Just not Bonds. |
Youre also forgetting... is it 5 or 6 MVP's? |
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| Member of X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
Youre also forgetting... is it 5 or 6 MVP's? |
Exactly, he had won a number of his MVP's before his power numbers juiced up there to Nintendo numbers. He was still slim and winning them. Palmeiro was just a decent player before the boost.
Bonds has 7 MVP's total, how many are clean? I think at least 3. |
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| trunks1022 |
| i love the denials that involve "hey i didn't know what i was doing". it's not exactly a flat out denial |
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| Shamez214 |
My brother and I were talking baseball today, and Ichiro came up. So we started talking what he has to do here to make the HoF. And, also, if they would take into account his Japanese numbers. That's another debate for another time, really.
So... then Hideki Matsui came up. I'm sure if he finishes with 200 HRs, 800 RBIs, blah blah blah, he will make it in. But this is where we hit a snag.
Should Ichiro automatically make it to the HoF before any other Japanese player? This is assuming, of course, that Ichiro continues getting 200 Hits a year and keeps his average at .330 or whatever. If Hideki retires before Ichiro (it could happen) and he is "HoF caliber," should the BBWAA wait until Ichiro is eligible, vote him in, and then the next year vote Hideki in? Or do you think it won't matter? Just curious to see your take on it. |
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| Vlad |
Thats pretty retarded that they wait for someone with better numbers just to break a race 'barrier' if Matsui is eligable and there arent any other people to 'out shine' him those years, I dont see why not.
A-Rod is 30, Jeter, Ichiro, & Matsui are all 31.
Amoung others that might be looked at... if anything, I think they should both be inducted at the same time. So there isnt any bias. |
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| Shamez214 |
| My stance is that Ichiro should make it before any other Japanese player. Just like I believe Mariano should make it before any other pure closer. |
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| RichieRich |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamez214
I called it.
I also call this being Al's ONLY good start for the rest of the year. I give him three starts after tonight before going to the bullpen or being released. |
when you're right, you're right.
the yankees entire pitching staff makes me ill right now, with the exception of Rivera. |
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| TranceHater |
| Giambi is currently the best player in the American laegue and has been for the past 6 weeks. A-rod finally a big hit. Sheffield shut the fuk up and contimue to HIT |
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| Member of X |
Juiceambi is definitely juicing them out of here at amazing pace the last month. It's been quite a startling return to form for him. If he continues to help the Yankees win then I got to love it.
Mets are in last place. Cris Carpenter and Roger Clemens are having better seasons than Pedro Martinez.
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| TranceHater |
| DONT FORGET ABOUT SMOLTZ |
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| dj tek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Member of X
Juiceambi is definitely juicing them out of here at amazing pace the last month. It's been quite a startling return to form for him. If he continues to help the Yankees win then I got to love it.
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imagine if we got swept by the indians ? lol... |
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