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ASOT vs The Elites - Let's have it out (pg. 10)
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
As I said earlier, this forum has become much more than just trance. I haven't been posting here for over a year, and already it's obvious that it's changed from trance-only into a forum that accepts every genre of EDM in a manner in which we're able to freely post about it. This forum is not an ASOT forum. It's a neutral forum about EDM that just so happens to have "trance" in the title. People aren't going to leave and change their opinions just because you don't like people voicing them. |
Just a small quibble over this. I think the website is definitely still about trance. There may be some threads about other genres, but it's silly to say it's about EDM in general. Trance is the focus.
The problem, I think, is a narrowing definition of trance. The genre as a whole is much broader than the narrow slice that Dutch trance comprises. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Just a small quibble over this. I think the website is definitely still about trance. There may be some threads about other genres, but it's silly to say it's about EDM in general. Trance is the focus.
The problem, I think, is a narrowing definition of trance. The genre as a whole is much broader than the narrow slice that Dutch trance comprises. |
Yah. While it's still mostly trance-oriented, I'm still seeing a lot of talk about stuff that's not Trance. I'd just like to know why we get persecuted for not liking ASOT (yet still being fans of trance) while Subey seems to be fine with topics about DnB, Cox, Zab, Techno, Hardcore, etc. roaming freely across the boards. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stuart F
Fair enough, people have the right to say 'I don't like this music' but it's the people who slag others for liking music which they don't like themselves which annoys me. |
It's bigger than that. Armin-churned trance is stagnating the genre as a whole, and narrowing its potential. "Elitists" on this site slag people who sing its praises because they are unwittingly contributing to the demise of trance, and don't seem to have the experience to realize it. |
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| Stuart F |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
It's bigger than that. Armin-churned trance is stagnating the genre as a whole, and narrowing its potential. "Elitists" on this site slag people who sing its praises because they are unwittingly contributing to the demise of trance, and don't seem to have the experience to realize it. |
How is it narrowing the potential of the genre of trance? It's a form of trance which many people enjoy and how is their enjoyment of that form of trance doing harm? |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
but i think you'd have to be a bit deaf not to realise that there is a difference in sound between early ASOT and current ASOT. |
Will you give me an explanation without using subjective adjectives? Words like "fluffy" or "uplifting" or "dark"(armin has never played dark trance). How has the music itself changed. The only difference between epic trance of '99 and today is minor key changes in the catchy melodies. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stuart F
How is it narrowing the potential of the genre of trance? It's a form of trance which many people enjoy and how is their enjoyment of that form of trance doing harm? |
Because there is so much more out there than what Armin plays on ASOT. |
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Cobalt and don't seem to have the experience to realize it. |
I think for me this is the main issue, the fact that most asot listeners seem to be really clueless kids of like 14 years of age. They have a very limited comprehension of anything other than asot, and cant even open their eyes for a second to the possibility that there is better stuff out there. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stuart F
How is it narrowing the potential of the genre of trance? It's a form of trance which many people enjoy and how is their enjoyment of that form of trance doing harm? |
Because it's popularizing a very restricted, narrow formula of production that most A State of Trance listeners fail to understand as overdone and artistically shallow. This snowballing attention drowns out legitimate and innovative production by other artists, who see their exposure diminish to the profit of Armin and his affiliated labels. It's not only that better production is being crowded out by prolific Anjunabeats look-a-likes, it's that an entire generation of new listeners are growing up thinking such material constitutes the forward boundaries of trance. The long-term consequences are fewer innovative producers, increased difficulty finding such producers, and a dilution of trance as a whole.
It all reminds me very much of the Anthem-Prog split that began brewing around 1997, and finally tore the scene in two. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
The only difference between epic trance of '99 and today is minor key changes in the catchy melodies. |
Nah, 99 had harder kicks, very few fluffy beatless interludes, a broader variety of synths, and fewer soft pads. They're related, but different. |
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| Ken_Allen |
I agree with the quotes posted in the first post by toronto trance.
Look how many songs Markus Schulz has put out & signed to vinyl, then look at Waveforce or Airlight. They don't have 300 songs/remixes on vinyl and there songs are quite amazing. Those 2 don't have one song on vinyl & I definately think they should get up in line before markus schulz & armin van buuren when producing such great songs & taking time on them. Nobody cares what these un-popular producers make because they're busy listening to the most popular stuff which is not always the best stuff. Take a listen to some other producers/dj's for a while. You don't need to sit at the computer every sunday night listening to the same song played by markus schulz every week, that's boring. Markus is a very cool guy indeed, but people (erm I don't know the word, "listen to him too much & think he's the best producer/dj ever")+
Lay off and listen to some new stuff. Explore |
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| TOR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
I think for me this is the main issue, the fact that most asot listeners seem to be really clueless kids of like 14 years of age. They have a very limited comprehension of anything other than asot, and cant even open their eyes for a second to the possibility that there is better stuff out there. |
who are you to judge what's better or worse? if those "14-year-old kids" are happy listening to formulaïc trance, i don't see any problem.
your feelings when listening to a certain track are not universal, you know. you don't seem to realize everyone has different tastes. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by TOR
who are you to judge what's better or worse? if those "14-year-old kids" are happy listening to formulaïc trance, i don't see any problem. |
When the livelihood of other forms of trance is at stake, I do see a problem.
| quote: | | you don't seem to realize everyone has different tastes. |
Sadly, not everyone has taste. I'm not saying this to be condescending; it's simply the truth, and often at the heart of the discussion. How many Arminites would give me a blank stare if I asked them about LSG or Evolution? Or even Kamaya Painters and X-Cabs? |
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