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ASOT vs The Elites - Let's have it out (pg. 8)
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| TOR |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
LMAO! (I go to work and this is what happens, when I return)
Subey, get some guts dude, why don't you just say Why does TTA keep bashing my GoD?. I could careless what the world thinks about what I say about the evil trio (Armin, Markus and A&B), who are drowing the world in mcprog and formulaic garbage. Do I honestly care if people get offended at me dissing Armin? No because I'm expressing an opinion and if you hate seeing my posts then skip over them or don't view the threads that I post in. See most of the EDM community has bought into the garbage and it sickens me because you are just padding their pockets, they are not giving you anything new, nickson's stuff sounds the same, same with o'neil, same with probspot and same with elevation. If you enjoy the same formulaic crap then good for you but I don't and Armin can do better and he knows it. The man is a genius but he rather just make garbage that will end up hurting the scene that he says he cares so much about. I thought I mentioned on more than a few occasions, take my opinions with a grain of salt and I probably won't stop telling things like I see it. I love trance but it has lost the plot for the most part but there is still great trance being made and put out, just not by the evil trio. |
in the end it's just about personal taste, so bashing an artist is pointless. there's only 1 reason you don't like uplifting trance anymore, and that's because your tastes have evolved, nothing more, nothing less. there are a lot of people who DO like Armin and the kind of trance he plays. debating over someone's taste doesn't make sense. in fact, i think this whole discussion is pointless. |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by TOR
i think he would like to, but at the same time he does not want to disappoint his fans.. and you have to admit most people that listen to ASOT and go see Armin live want to hear the same old uplifting crap.
i remember a few episodes ago, Armin played a tribal track and everyone was like "WTF?! we're not in Africa!". i would like him to be more diverse too, but i can definitely understand why he does not want to.. i went to Armada Night friday night, and i remember him playing some Nathan Fake track.. the crowd was standing still. a few tracks after that he dropped Enmass - CQ and the crowd went wild. we, who want him to diversify his tracklist, are in the minority. Armin would disappoint a lot more people than he would make happy. |
Yeah I agree with the point that Armin does try to branch out and play different styles on occasion during the show, unfortunately leading to a lot of negative reactions from TAs posting in the tracklist thread. It's a shame because like Laushinameee said earlier, some of the best tracks he plays are the Roland Klinkenberg/Remy tech-trance tracks that few people seem to like. But whenever a track comes on that is straight up pads and a boring melody, they go ape over it. A lot of people also go crazy over the vocal tracks he hammers (Jump the Next Train) when I think those tracks are some of the weakest he spins. |
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| A.J. |
The main point i want to stress is CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.
I agree with a lot of points raised by people on both sides of the argument, but i think the important thing is to have constructive criticism rather than just flaming and insults.
We NEED criticism to further the scene and keep it healthy. I don't think any of us want it to go down the ter (although some would argue that it already has :p ). If we just sit here and accept anything we are fed by the big producers and big DJs, they will become complacent, they will lose their edge, and the music will suffer. Once again, i'm sure many of you would argue that this has already happened :p .
It is important that we can all express our opinions, but PLEASE, if you are going to do this, how about taking a few minutes to explain WHY you think this and give some reasons, rather than saying "So and so is " or "X is uber-lame". We need both negative and postive opinions to achieve balance, but i really do think that more thought-out posts that actually go into some detail about why people have certain opinions are needed.
- AJ -
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P.S. No more "OMG I just heard this track on ASOT!!!!" threads in the New Releases Forum, please. It is for New Releases only, and it makes things a lot more complicated than they should be |
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| ASOT100 |
don't worry it's TTA time of the month again, cept it happens to him everyday
let him say wat he wants |
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| TOR |
| quote: | Originally posted by ASOT100
don't worry it's TTA time of the month again, cept it happens to him everyday
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sorry tta, but this made me laugh out loud :stongue: |
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| A.J. |
| As much as i find it strange now that i look at it, i am inclined to agree with torontotrance on a lot of points. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by A.J.
It is important that we can all express our opinions, but PLEASE, if you are going to do this, how about taking a few minutes to explain WHY you think this and give some reasons, rather than saying "So and so is " or "X is uber-lame". .
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Let's see here:
Pro-ASOT
New tracks weekly(the only valid point made in the thread)
Exposure,commercialization,fame,wealth (irrelevant;happened already)
Anti-ASOT
Somehow worse than the rest of epic trance (wrong;epic trance is epic trance is epic trance)
DJ's copy ASOT style (so?;trance dj's have always done this)
Banal tracks (so?;where have you been for the past 5 years?)
Looking at the facts i'd say ASOT all the way. It can't do more damage than has already been done. Mark my words here folks, if anything, i'm pro-ASOT. HAH! |
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| A.J. |
hehe nice man.
I like the cut of your jib, and i would like to subscribe to your newsletter... |
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| alieu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subey
Repeatedly people who like the mainstream Trance are getting bashed on these forums. There is a concerted and deliberate campaign being waged to make people who enjoy mainstream feel as though their taste in music is somehow inferior to those who think its .
Here's a little example from torontotrance last night:
Thread 1 at 5:20
Thread 2 at 5:22
a thread about Anjunabeats website
Thread 3 at 5:24
6 minutes. 3 threads. 3 posts denouncing mainstream trance.
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Do we seriously need to put up with this constant assault on the MOST POPULAR form of trance on a website called tranceaddict? Ya we all know the best trance was made in 99 and its all been downhill from there...
If you believe that to be true, then what are you still doing on these forums? 5 years have gone by, if your tastes in music have MOVED then great, more power to you. BUT then maybe you should move to a different website too? One that better reflects your new musical pastures.
Maybe you guys could set up a new website called NonMainstreamEDMaddicts.com, and remember to send an e-mail to Armin that says "PLEASE Don't link us on your website, we don't want our boards polluted by your noob listeners who think Godzilla, Vadim Zhukov, Robert Nickson, Taucher, Max Graham, Airwave, Plastic Boy, Alucard, Haak, etc. are any good" (Names taken from the most recent episode of ASOT, a few of whom are regular posters on these forums)
If you hate trance so much, then give this website a break for a year... what do you have to lose? if you ever like trance again, and of course we hope you will, then we'll happily welcome you back into the fold ;) who knows, maybe in a year's time you'll be having so much fun at NonMainstreamEDMaddicts.com you'd never consider coming back. We'd be okay with that too :) |
Very well said! Totally agree with you!
It seems to me that all the peoples who listen to prog, break, electro etc etc... are always dissing good uplifting trance and dj's like armin and A&B
IMO prog, electro and break sucks big time! with some few exception like Sasha - Xpander, Sasha - The Silence, Way out west - Ajare and Way out west - Mindcircus(Gabriel & Dresden Mix).
You never see people like me(peoples who listen to epic, uplifting and ''popular trance'') dissing Holden, Way out west, Sasha and other dj's who plays this music style!
What's the point of making threads like this: ''Motorcycle - ATRC sucks'', ''I hate Armin van Buuren - Burned with desire''
Just because I dislike a song, let's say ''Way Out West - Killa'' I don't start a thread about how much i hate it |
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| AlphaStarred |
i agree with those three being the evil trio. i listened to one Markus set a few months back and the whole sounded the same, not to mention unbelievably boring. as for Armin, seems to me like all he plays is new tunes, regardless whether they mix well together or should even be in the same set. ASOT :p
as for A&B, i'm not even interested to hear their fluff bull trance nowadays |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by alieu
Very well said! Totally agree with you!
It seems to me that all the peoples who listen to prog, break, electro etc etc... are always dissing good uplifting trance and dj's like armin and A&B
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that totally misses the point though in some cases. I love uplifting trance, It's been my life for years, I worship DJs and producers like Ferry, Adam Sheridan, Agnelli & Nelson and many others, but I find the current path of shows like ASOT and even the new anjuna releases lacking originality and quality. For the fact that many people are making stuff just to be on ASOT or GDJB sets, it's made me disillusioned with trance and listening to far less of it due to the huge amounts of tripe. I've found myself getting into techno & psy just to keep my enthusiasm for music alive as since these shows have become more & more regular and more of them, I just can't enjoy stuff due to the fact that some incredibly poor stuff is about.
I hate prog & only like a small amount of electro, but I'm finding that I have little choice about stuff now. Take the productions on ASOT in comparison to Oliver Lieb, Ferry's Old stuff & the like, there's no comparison imho |
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| Massive84 |
The problem is
It's not really Armin's fault (not 100%) BUT the producers. They tend to produce something fast and generic so they can end up in ASOT to boost up their fame, because thats what ASOT is all about, it's one of the gates to become reconginzed as a producer.
It's nothing like the old days, where it was important to set a track that touches and grabs people, but all about fame and the vinyl these days.
Of cource there are producers that don't follow this pattern, there are nice tunes in ASOT, but the majority is falling in that fast production pattern, and only thinking how to end up in ASOT and other djs tracklists. |
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