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ASOT vs The Elites - Let's have it out (pg. 7)
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| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
but look at laurent garnier, he plays everything from full on techno to drum & bass and jazz... im not a fan at all really but i would never call him crap... hes obviously got a lot of talent.
i can happily call armin crap though as he is so narrow... The fact that hes doing that because he likes it isnt relevant, and i wouldnt want him to change if he doesnt want to (again irrelevant) - the FACT is that djs with really narrow scope are crap, thats my scale, and you have to have one really when making these judgements.
DJs are DJs, they dont have to just play one style, if they restrict themselves to one style then that is nobody's doing but their own, and they should take the rap for it. |
.......its horses for courses.
I dont expect to go to a trance night and hear in hard house being blasted just to keep the 'diversity'
You wanna hear trance you go see a trance dj. You wanna see D&B you go see a D&B DJ.
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| mety333 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subey
Ya we all know the best trance was made in 99 and its all been downhill from there... |
O-M-F-G-!-!-!
That sentence is the most truthful sentence I heard in the past years! And I'm only 17 years old!
O-M-F-G-!-!-!
I don't know what to think right now after I read that sentence!
I'm going to sleep now and maybe something will happen after I read that sentence...which is so damn true!
W-O-W...! |
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| Laushinameee |
but having all these strict genre 'labels' just perpetuates this narrow mindedness...
I want to go out and hear good music, i dont give a if its trance, techno or electro... when the track comes on i dont stand and think to myself 'hey this isnt the right genre!' as that would be ing dumb...
I think this is only really a problem with the UK club scene, in Europe you regularly get electro/techno/breakbeat/trance djs all playing the same lineup, and i guarantee that not one person in the crowd keeps tabs on whether or not each respective dj sticks rigidly to their genre :haha: |
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| Haak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian^
Devilfish - Man Alive
making my point that ASOT isn't the only place to hear the new stuff first ;) |
that tune is atleast 4 years old though hehe |
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| Radagast |
Using Laurent Garnier to prove a point against a random trance DJ is like using the stats of Wayne Gretzky to say that your high school friend sucks at ice hockey.
I think Laushinamee's point is best articulated throuth the wise words of Z-Trip, the are both right. Don't know who Z-Trip is? I don't expect you to, he's a real DJ.
In the end all your arguing is stupid and pointless. ASOT epic trance is the same as all other epic trance. You'll be able to find plenty of non-asot tracks with the same breakdown buildup structure, with a slightly different melody. In much the same way most people denounce Sandstorm, one of the greatest epic trance tracks of all time, simply because it's one of the few that has reached its goal as pop music. Would For An Angel be a ty track if it had made it as big as Sandstorm? You're morons. Okay maybe not morons. Just not quite "there" yet. |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Haak
that tune is atleast 4 years old though hehe |
aye but im only just gettin into techno so im trying to find tracks that stand out, new or old :p |
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| Az |
Armins gone down the ter
a couple of years back, he was playing in clubs what he was playing on ASOT. The stuff on ASOT was fresh and fairly ing good. In the past 2 years or so he seems to have moved away from that, just playing the big tunes, and not bothering to find new artists himself, waiting for others to discover them and then get the message passed on. The sets he plays in the UK now are a ing joke. And he is a ing joke, both production wise, and DJing wise. |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
Armins gone down the ter
a couple of years back, he was playing in clubs what he was playing on ASOT. The stuff on ASOT was fresh and fairly ing good. In the past 2 years or so he seems to have moved away from that, just playing the big tunes, and not bothering to find new artists himself, waiting for others to discover them and then get the message passed on. The sets he plays in the UK now are a ing joke. And he is a ing joke, both production wise, and DJing wise. |
^^ What we've been trying to say in a way |
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| torontotrance |
LMAO! (I go to work and this is what happens, when I return)
Subey, get some guts dude, why don't you just say Why does TTA keep bashing my GoD?. I could careless what the world thinks about what I say about the evil trio (Armin, Markus and A&B), who are drowing the world in mcprog and formulaic garbage. Do I honestly care if people get offended at me dissing Armin? No because I'm expressing an opinion and if you hate seeing my posts then skip over them or don't view the threads that I post in. See most of the EDM community has bought into the garbage and it sickens me because you are just padding their pockets, they are not giving you anything new, nickson's stuff sounds the same, same with o'neil, same with probspot and same with elevation. If you enjoy the same formulaic crap then good for you but I don't and Armin can do better and he knows it. The man is a genius but he rather just make garbage that will end up hurting the scene that he says he cares so much about. I thought I mentioned on more than a few occasions, take my opinions with a grain of salt and I probably won't stop telling things like I see it. I love trance but it has lost the plot for the most part but there is still great trance being made and put out, just not by the evil trio. |
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| Psiweaver |
You all bitch about things becoming mainstream and popular wether its ATRC or Sandstorm or if big name producers PvD, Armin, Tiesto, Markus, A & B you name it whoever the favorite bashing bag is right now, but the fact of the matter is that as things become more mainstream and popular its good for the scene. It means more money fueling the industry which means more money for up and coming producers and dj's. I personally can't see how this could be a bad thing. More music will be getting made and more music will be getting spun, leading to a bigger demand for it all. Its simple economics people as the demand increases so will the supply because more people will see oppurtunity where there previously was little.
If you guys have a problem with whatever show is hot right now or whatever track is big, thats awesome thats your opinion. It doesn't help on a message board to pop into a thread were people are getting excited talking about something they love and enjoy to just say what you love and enjoy is and thats the bottom line, you don't even try to guide people onto something else, just what your listening to is crap and your a piece of for liking it. Its your right to express your opinion but that doesn't mean you have to use that right all the time. Do people walk around protesting all day(while some do) not most people do because they don't feel the need to bitch and moan like a dirty whore about every little thing going wrong in there lives. If you don't like what a thread is talking about don't enter it don't post in it. Its that ing simple. Yes you have the right to voice your opinion but you don't go to church and then afterwards talk about he minister for not promoting aetheism in his sermon, just for diversity. No when you listen to ASOT you should expect a certain sound wether or not you like that sound is your opinion bottom line nothing else.
If you don't like the direction that trance is going in then, then change it quit whining like little babies about how Armin is spoiling your scene and spoiling your music.
Nobody is forcing you to read these topics, listen to this music, or go see anyone live at a club. If you dont wanna do these things then don't. I know its hard to show self restraint when you act like your 3 but one day you'll grow up big and strong and learn that just because you have opinions doesn't mean you share them with everyone and his dog.
Now if we could please stop the general bashing on the TA forums and return to some simple cultured discussion about the music that we love that would be wonderful. |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subey
Repeatedly people who like the mainstream Trance are getting bashed on these forums. There is a concerted and deliberate campaign being waged to make people who enjoy mainstream feel as though their taste in music is somehow inferior to those who think its .
Here's a little example from torontotrance last night:
Thread 1 at 5:20
Thread 2 at 5:22
a thread about Anjunabeats website
Thread 3 at 5:24
6 minutes. 3 threads. 3 posts denouncing mainstream trance.
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Do we seriously need to put up with this constant assault on the MOST POPULAR form of trance on a website called tranceaddict? Ya we all know the best trance was made in 99 and its all been downhill from there...
If you believe that to be true, then what are you still doing on these forums? 5 years have gone by, if your tastes in music have MOVED then great, more power to you. BUT then maybe you should move to a different website too? One that better reflects your new musical pastures.
Maybe you guys could set up a new website called NonMainstreamEDMaddicts.com, and remember to send an e-mail to Armin that says "PLEASE Don't link us on your website, we don't want our boards polluted by your noob listeners who think Godzilla, Vadim Zhukov, Robert Nickson, Taucher, Max Graham, Airwave, Plastic Boy, Alucard, Haak, etc. are any good" (Names taken from the most recent episode of ASOT, a few of whom are regular posters on these forums)
If you hate trance so much, then give this website a break for a year... what do you have to lose? if you ever like trance again, and of course we hope you will, then we'll happily welcome you back into the fold ;) who knows, maybe in a year's time you'll be having so much fun at NonMainstreamEDMaddicts.com you'd never consider coming back. We'd be okay with that too :) |
hahaha...you said godzilla... |
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| TOR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
anyway, this is about armin, and my point is that he just hasnt got as wide a scope... yes hes a trance dj, but where is it written that he MUST only play trance... he could play so much more interesting / diverse stuff, but he doesnt, and thats his choice & its why i think hes not worth the effort. |
i think he would like to, but at the same time he does not want to disappoint his fans.. and you have to admit most people that listen to ASOT and go see Armin live want to hear the same old uplifting crap.
i remember a few episodes ago, Armin played a tribal track and everyone was like "WTF?! we're not in Africa!". i would like him to be more diverse too, but i can definitely understand why he does not want to.. i went to Armada Night friday night, and i remember him playing some Nathan Fake track.. the crowd was standing still. a few tracks after that he dropped Enmass - CQ and the crowd went wild. we, who want him to diversify his tracklist, are in the minority. Armin would disappoint a lot more people than he would make happy. |
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