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ASOT vs The Elites - Let's have it out (pg. 11)
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| Zombie0915 |
Trance is a mindstate, not a musical category.
In order for it to work, the listener muct be engaged in the repitition.
The best way to do this is to be diverse, yet repetitive at the same time. For many people, ASOT simply does not resonate with them well enough to put them into the desirable state.
In order to allow more people to have this wonderful experience, our music should have as much variety as possible. A true lover of trance would never work to encourage conformity, because that would lead to only a few people ever truely experiencing it. Conversely, those few people would have quite an experience if they had a very narrow standard that was constantly met.
So stop trying to get other TA's to conform to your tastes, and instead try to help them find the music that works for them, that is the way that is best for the trance music.
edit:OMG Custom status yaaaaaaaaay finally! |
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| mndeg |
i think asot puts a lot of good stuff to the public eye
sure there is a lot of crap but why not just ignore it?
duh. |
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| TOR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
When the livelihood of other forms of trance is at stake, I do see a problem. |
what do you mean by livelihood?
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Sadly, not everyone has taste. I'm not saying this to be condescending; it's simply the truth, and often at the heart of the discussion. How many Arminites would give me a blank stare if I asked them about LSG or Evolution? Or even Kamaya Painters and X-Cabs? |
your point? is it an obligation for someone who's into trance to know the artists you mentioned? as i said, just because they are into a kind of music YOU don't like, doesn't mean they do not have taste. everybody has a taste of their own, and you should respect that. |
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by TOR
your point? is it an obligation for someone who's into trance to know the artists you mentioned? |
not at all, but I think that people are well within their rights to call those people clueless. Being clueless means precisely that, not knowing stuff that you probably ought to... and the typical ASOT listener is clueless. They dont have any understanding of other contemporary music, or the history of the genre. |
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| Zombie0915 |
Perhaps a batter solution would be to make more attempts at informing them rather than harrasing them.
I respect people's opinions when they compain, but I think the amount of bashing that is going on is more than the neccessary amount. I think there are better ways to encourage people to find more music other then bashing artists and bellittling the people who listen to them. |
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| TOR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
not at all, but I think that people are well within their rights to call those people clueless. Being clueless means precisely that, not knowing stuff that you probably ought to... |
way to contradict yourself.
| quote: | | and the typical ASOT listener is clueless. They dont have any understanding of other contemporary music, or the history of the genre. |
so? music is about feelings, not about knowing every genre out there. if melodic trance puts a smile on the face of an ASOT-listener, then there is no need for him to force himself to get into breaks or whatever. |
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| idoru |
| Okay, settle down. As Subey said earlier, this isn't about ASOT. It's about people thinking we shouldn't be allowed to voice our opinions. Personally, whether our opinion is right or not is not the issue in this topic, it's whether or not we should succumb to those who do not like our opinions. |
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| dEEkAy |
| whiteroom-whiteroom .. track based on vocals from bt-remember back in 1999 or whatsoever made for the "omg i listen to trance for 1 year now" US-audience of ASOT :p |
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| Radagast |
Typical clueless pseudo-philosophical trancemoron responses. "Oh, we all have our own opinion!, Oh..music is all opinion and now I feel justified!" We don't care if epic trance(or ASOT :rolleyes: ) puts a smile on your face. We know it does. That doesn't mean your music is less trite and derivative. That doesn't mean you're less of a moron, but that also doesn't mean you won't grow a taste for music sometime in the future. There is such a thing as universally good music and universally bad music. You can't judge the difference unless you know it to the fullest extend of your willingness to learn, gaining decent musical taste in the process.
Funny how most of you who profess these "music is just opinion" attitudes would insult Country music without a second thought. |
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| TOR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Typical clueless pseudo-philosophical trancemoron responses. "Oh, we all have our own opinion!, Oh..music is all opinion and now I feel justified!" |
yet it is. you can't force anyone to enjoy certain tracks and to not enjoy others. enjoying music does not involve thinking, it all happens in your heart. if music was about analyzing tracks, i'd consider The Timelord trash, yet it sends me shivers down the spine.
| quote: | | There is such a thing as universally good music and universally bad music. |
give me the objective criteria that are used to conclude that something is 'good' or 'bad'. and give me specific information on who are the judges that come to that ultimate conclusion. |
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| Subey |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Yah. While it's still mostly trance-oriented, I'm still seeing a lot of talk about stuff that's not Trance. I'd just like to know why we get persecuted for not liking ASOT (yet still being fans of trance) while Subey seems to be fine with topics about DnB, Cox, Zab, Techno, Hardcore, etc. roaming freely across the boards. |
Obviously i'm not communicating very well. I'll try another anology :)
Put on your imagination cap. Imagine you hate the taste of wine but love the taste of beer.
Me : Idoru I'm having a wine competition would you like to be one of the judges?
Idoru: No, my palette prevents me from appreciating wine. However if you ever have a beer tasting competition i'll be happy to participate. I'll probably give higher marks to "Pilsner" beers though because those are my favourite.
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Me : Idoru I'm having a wine competition would you like to be one of the judges?
Idoru: Damn straight i'll judge, its my god given right to give my opinion on every beverage ever made! I've got taste buds just like everyone else, bring on the wine... this tastes like , that tastes like , how can you people drink this swill? Beer is so much better.
The fact of the matter is that a lot of people are biased to liking the style of music that Armin plays. It doesn't make them inferior or stupid, or slaves to commercialism. It just means they have different tastes than you. No more, no less. taste is not a religious war, there's no need to convert or belittle those who hear more or less than you.
If Armin's listener base goes from 100,000 to 10 million then everyone benefits. That's millions more people who are exposed to Trance music. That's millions more people who *MIGHT* explore other forms of EDM. And if they don't explore other forms of EDM that's okay too. |
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| Zombie0915 |
Dood, like 2 hours west of my house is this restaraunt up in the mountains in the middle of nowhere thats called the Hillbilly Hideaway. They serve u the best friggin southern food evar, then when your too full to move you walk over next door and they have this music hall, which is really just this big wooden shack with a metal roof. They play some great fun stuff in there, beats the hell out of toby keith and garth brooks!
Holy I feel like such a huge redneck now for sharing that little fact with u all. Yes, fun country music does exist, you just gotta avoid the horde of old people, christians, and CMT watchers, which is a whole lot harder then getting away from the ASOT whores. |
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