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Please post a sample of a bad Tiesto mix (pg. 20)
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| Trance-MB |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
LOL! allow me to laugh. some people here deserves the nobel prize. |
Maybe I didn't explain it very well for your 2 braincells, but what I meant was that if you can get 1000's of people dancing and jumping, you can try and see which tracks make this happen. It's a bit difficult to try this with 100 people. If you can make this happen with 1000's of people everybody will talk about it. This is what happend in Europe. DJ's were able to play for huge crowds and a few of them were much better than many others. But it's also the same for rock groups. Live, Green Day and many others got their success by playing at festivals in Europe. The same for Faithless, The Prodigy and Underworld, it was there breakthrough.
At Pinkpop they "measure" the reaction of the people by looking at the movement between the light/sound control tower and the stage.
Faithless, a couple years ago made people dance until far behind the tower. This was seen as a giant success. Afterward Faithless use the video of that performance in the videoclip of "God is a DJ". |
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| Azz3D |
| quote: | Originally posted by Gauss
Too much to read. |
i'm guessing you're one of those people who hates foreign films cause you have to read subtitles:rolleyes: |
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| Trance-MB |
| quote: | Originally posted by Azz3D
i'm guessing you're one of those people who hates foreign films cause you have to read subtitles:rolleyes: |
You cann't blame him, he's from Nowhere :) :) |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-MB
Maybe I didn't explain it very well for your 2 braincells, but what I meant was that if you can get 1000's of people dancing and jumping, you can try and see which tracks make this happen. It's a bit difficult to try this with 100 people. If you can make this happen with 1000's of people everybody will talk about it. This is what happend in Europe. DJ's were able to play for huge crowds and a few of them were much better than many others. But it's also the same for rock groups. Live, Green Day and many others got their success by playing at festivals in Europe. The same for Faithless, The Prodigy and Underworld, it was there breakthrough.
At Pinkpop they "measure" the reaction of the people by looking at the movement between the light/sound control tower and the stage.
Faithless, a couple years ago made people dance until far behind the tower. This was seen as a giant success. Afterward Faithless use the video of that performance in the videoclip of "God is a DJ". |
i bet you haven't seen the movies of Cristopher Lawrence when he plays infront of thousands of people in an arena? and that was more than 5 years ago. |
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| Trance-MB |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
i bet you haven't seen the movies of Cristopher Lawrence when he plays infront of thousands of people in an arena? and that was more than 5 years ago. |
No, I didn't, but how many times did he do that and where?
And what are thousands of people? Can you compare him with Tiesto?
Now it's Tiesto, but I think some German DJ's also had worldwide success years before Tiesto.
Live played in the beginning in the US for 6000 people and believed that was a huge crowd, but after they played at Pinkpop that idea changed, and Pinkpop is one of the smaller festivals.
2Unlimited played for 90.000 people in Japan, and that was about 10 years ago. The effect of bands worldwide breaking through at festivals has started about 20 years ago. (Pinkpop already exists 36 years)
I think DJ's like Tiesto did it the same way, supported by record companies.
So if you are a DJ, play for huge crowds at many places worldwide and get the crowd wild you probably will become very successfull. Or not? |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Kimball Collins..
Absolutely no bull fluffy euro disney e. They play good, solid, masculine trance. No saw wave explosions, no momentum-killing breakdowns, no inane snare rolls. No frills, no bull, no gimmicks, no ecstasy-maximizer trumpet anthems. Just damn fine good trance.
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You definatley dropped the ball here.
http://www.discogs.com/release/78012
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http://www.discogs.com/release/76312
Gouryella, airwave, out of the blue, kaycee escape. Tracks like this could easily fit in the set. And collins has been known to play alot of tracks like these.
Just because he was spinning trance in 1994, doesnt mean he doesnt share the same sound as tiesto armin ferry or oakenfold.
I like this kind of trance but its the same as what ferry and tiesto would play back in the day. Not to mention oakenfold and the other trance djs.
America and trance is a paradox. They just dont go together. Trance was made by the europeans. Evolved from european music. To say that american djs know how to do it best would be like saying china makes the best pizza. |
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| Erotic Buddha |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
You definatley dropped the ball here.
http://www.discogs.com/release/78012
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http://www.discogs.com/release/76312
Gouryella, airwave, out of the blue, kaycee escape. Tracks like this could easily fit in the set. And collins has been known to play alot of tracks like these.
Just because he was spinning trance in 1994, doesnt mean he doesnt share the same sound as tiesto armin ferry or oakenfold.
I like this kind of trance but its the same as what ferry and tiesto would play back in the day. Not to mention oakenfold and the other trance djs.
America and trance is a paradox. They just dont go together. Trance was made by the europeans. Evolved from european music. To say that american djs know how to do it best would be like saying china makes the best pizza. |
looks like douchekur is not as smart as he thinks he is |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
Here you go. Compare....
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let's see here....
Peres & Petersky, Markus Schulz, Portishead, Erix Prydz, Sasha, Schiller, Humate, Above & Beyond, Andy Moor, Solarstone, Jam & Spoon, Mark Norman, Gabriel & Dresden, Purple Haze, James Holden, ATB, Terry Bones, Sinead O'ing Conner!?, Tiesto (can't forget him after all)...blah blah blah...
Yeah, those are real obscure artists. It's good that Tiesto's spending such arduous time hunting obscure labels and scraping the bottom of record bins to get the most prime, unheard of cuts to play for us.
Sorry. I'm not impressed. I don't even listen to that trance, and I've heard 60% of that music.
And we were previously talking about the set he did two weekends ago, live from Club Duplex, Prague 11-20-2005:
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
So all in all only about 5 tracks were repeated.
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FIVE TRACKS??! That's ing horrible, that number should be zero, and he's playing the same ing artists. What difference does it make?
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
That's nothing for a trance DJ these days and you know it.
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If that's the case, then trance is in a sorrier state than I previously thought.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
Even if you take into account that yesterday's Amsterdam set was 4 times longer, you have to take your comment back because they are obviously two completely different approaches to building up a set, with completely different vibes of music in the most part.
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I'm looking for an apples and oranges comparison. What you showed me was an apple that's red, and another apple that's slightly more red. The difference is negligible. You're reaching. You're reaching reeeeeeeaaaaallly hard to justify Tiesto's worth and competence. Why is that? if I know. You're taking this way too personally.
And if you seriously think that's funk....man, as a musicologist, you're in a lot of trouble.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
The HMH set has an epic construction. He was playing for about 10,000 Dutch tranceheads. This is a set for his home base. Unlike the Czech, anthems with long breakdowns are what these people mostly like and therefore he adapted this set to this context, by reading this crowd.
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Actually, a better theory is he doesn't give a at home. The people will excuse him for any piss-poor performance, so he can just dial that one in and call it a night. People will think it's the greatest thing ever. I know dozens of DJs who do this. You don't have to work as hard on your home turf because you're already well-known and there's nothing to gain by putting effort into it.
When he's abroad, however, he's got to market and sell himself more maturely, which is why he puts his game face on, to dissemeninate his vision of his awe-inspiring allure to the masses. So he puts a little elbow grease into it, because that's the only way he's going to sell.
But it's still like applauding a child for riding a bike without training wheels.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
If I were to deconstruct this set I would talk about 4 to 5 major shift of gears, big stylistic contrasts that definitely got the crowd going. The first one occurred in the transition from track 10 to 11. After setting the mood with mellow melodic progressive, he climaxes that section of the set with the nu-Latin guitar anthem of La Noche. He totally shifts the mood in a cohesive fashion by mixing this into Joris Voorn - Incident, a track that also evokes Latin rhythmic flavor but in a much harder and less melodic sense.
After that he goes into a rather more uptempo territory than the first 10 tracks...mixing it up from a progressive trance oldie such as Das Glockenspiel to the energetic and driving track 15.
After that comes the first real contemporary hands in the air trance anthem with Above and Beyond's Air is Life and starts off a minor section of rather bad vocal anthems. I don't enjoy this part at all but with these next 3 tracks he pleases the vocal cheeseheads and the ASOT kids.
The set swiftly recovers with track 19, the classic Jam & Spoon - Odyssey To Anyoona. Who would've thought that Tiësto would actually do some crate-digging and play a track from 1994 in 2005?
From tracks 20 ro 26 he goes to pretty traditional territory...and then uppers the ante by changing the mood by going into much harder territory with Scott Mac – Damager 02 (Mac Zimms Remix) and Mark Norman - Brasilia (Phantom Edit).
Well...you get the point. The cyclical ups and downs keep coming throughout the set and the crowd always reacts accordingly.
Keep in mind that in both sets only ONE Tiësto track was played, Flight 643 being the one in this case, which was probably the climax of the whole 6 hours. No stupid MCs, no silly interventions...just dance music straight through.
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This is awesome. You should work for trancecritic with this crap. A guy's playing other people's music, and you make it sound like he made it and everything. I couldn't have shovelled it better myself.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
So what? They still make millions in this continent.
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Do they? No, I'm honestly asking you: do they? Show me.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
Music
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Don't give me a music lesson. That's insulting.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
I haven't heard that track and I'd love to...but come on, this is Joe Sample you're talking about! Just because it's funky and filtered doesn't mean it sounds like French house. French house is funky and filtered but that doesn't make it sound American at all!
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Okay, read this statement back to yourself, and ask yourself if it honestlty makes any sense.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
Does that track really sound "American" to you?
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Yes.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
Nothing must be done with anyone. Everyone can appreciate the music that they enjoy as they please. Every individual can appreciate their music for whatever reason, without having to rationalize what the performer intends or what the listener gets out of it. |
Yes. You are free to appreciate your music however you want. But I am free to not appreciate it, and I am free to tell you that I don't appreciate it, and to furthermore hate you because your appreciation of it has wiped out the music that I appreciate.
So there. |
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| kixalot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis86
Because they're a bunch of idiots who could be at a hip hop party having fun.
If you don't care about good mixing you're not a true EDM fan. |
probably shouldn't be quoting a post from like 10 pages ago...
I'm sorry, but you are ing stupid. |
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| teknomonki |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
This is awesome. You should work for trancecritic with this crap. A guy's playing other people's music, and you make it sound like he made it and everything. I couldn't have shovelled it better myself.
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Isnt that what a DJ does? Play music made by other people? And then when he does play his own music you slate him for that...
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Don't give me a music lesson. That's insulting.
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Your arrogance towards Pio is insulting. |
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| Numidia |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
I predate Ed the Sock by a few years, easily.
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Holy ... you must be a fossil then because Ed the Sock is definitely pushing 40 by now. He's been around since the late 80's when he was on YTV.
My point being it says you're roughly 26-27 on your profile meaning there's no way you could predate Ed the Sock... Moreover it's still a valid criticism to call you a wannabe EDM version of Ed the Sock. You completely rip off his style and you know it. The difference of course being he is actually funny when he makes his criticisms whereas yours are tremendously asinine. |
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| Pio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
let's see here....
Peres & Petersky, Markus Schulz, Portishead, Erix Prydz, Sasha, Schiller, Humate, Above & Beyond, Andy Moor, Solarstone, Jam & Spoon, Mark Norman, Gabriel & Dresden, Purple Haze, James Holden, ATB, Terry Bones, Sinead O'ing Conner!?, Tiesto (can't forget him after all)...blah blah blah...
Yeah, those are real obscure artists. It's good that Tiesto's spending such arduous time hunting obscure labels and scraping the bottom of record bins to get the most prime, unheard of cuts to play for us.
Sorry. I'm not impressed. I don't even listen to that trance, and I've heard 60% of that music. |
I really doubt that Tiësto was trying to impress you. hehehe. I never said that he was playing obscure tracks at all...but he did step out of the norm by playing an 11 year old track from the early trance days. That's not quite common these days.
| quote: | | FIVE TRACKS??! That's ing horrible, that number should be zero, and he's playing the same ing artists. What difference does it make? |
Even Z-Trip will repeat about 5 tracks when doing gigs in consecutive weekends. Who are you to say that NO track should be repeated? You're not the artist.
| quote: | | If that's the case, then trance is in a sorrier state than I previously thought. |
How could it be in a sorrier state? How worse could it be...according to your standards?
| quote: | | I'm looking for an apples and oranges comparison. What you showed me was an apple that's red, and another apple that's slightly more red. The difference is negligible. You're reaching. You're reaching reeeeeeeaaaaallly hard to justify Tiesto's worth and competence. Why is that? if I know. You're taking this way too personally. |
You obviously didn't listen to the sets. The vibes conveyed by the two sets are totally different and contrast each other quite nicely. There's barely any epic trance in the first one, and hours of it in the other one.
| quote: | | And if you seriously think that's funk....man, as a musicologist, you're in a lot of trouble. |
Those tracks I was talking about are definitely "funkier" and "housier" than the run of the mill hands in the air trance that you would expect from the Dutch trancers. I never said they were "funk" though.
| quote: | Actually, a better theory is he doesn't give a at home. The people will excuse him for any piss-poor performance, so he can just dial that one in and call it a night. People will think it's the greatest thing ever. I know dozens of DJs who do this. You don't have to work as hard on your home turf because you're already well-known and there's nothing to gain by putting effort into it.
When he's abroad, however, he's got to market and sell himself more maturely, which is why he puts his game face on, to dissemeninate his vision of his awe-inspiring allure to the masses. So he puts a little elbow grease into it, because that's the only way he's going to sell. |
Not really. There are simply more epic trance "crackers" and cheeseheads in the Netherlands than anywhere else. The different vibes are a product of cultural aesthetics.End of.
| quote: | | This is awesome. You should work for trancecritic with this crap. A guy's playing other people's music, and you make it sound like he made it and everything. I couldn't have shovelled it better myself. |
Better than 6 hours of his own music, don't you think?
| quote: | | Do they? No, I'm honestly asking you: do they? Show me. |
At the big city venues in America, the likes of Oakenfold, Tiësto, PvD charge easily over $35,000 per gig. If you add all the gigs they've done here since 1999, plus album sales, all of them have made millions in this continent.
| quote: | Don't give me a music lesson. That's insulting.
Okay, read this statement back to yourself, and ask yourself if it honestlty makes any sense.
Yes.
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You need much more than a music lesson. You need to acquire a humanistic sensibility if you pretend to really understand what this scene is all about beyond your snarky and simple generalizations. I don't expect you to do that, since you don't believe in individual and subjective values.
I feel sorry for you if you really think the productions of Thomas Bangalter, and much worse Tubed, sounds as American as apple pie. But to each his own, maybe you haven't been to Europe yourself and don't understand the aesthetics of the old continent.
| quote: | Yes. You are free to appreciate your music however you want. But I am free to not appreciate it, and I am free to tell you that I don't appreciate it, and to furthermore hate you because your appreciation of it has wiped out the music that I appreciate.
So there. |
haha, you hate me? :haha:
Well, we're still waiting for your defense of the great and masculine American trancers such as Sandra Collins, Kimball Collins, Chris Lawrence and Max Graham. You said that they would NEVER play those ridiculous euro breakdowns but you were proved plainly wrong. How are you going to justify that fact now, Ishkur? ;) |
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