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Please post a sample of a bad Tiesto mix (pg. 22)
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| Driguez |
ishkur pio owns you,so stop it with the nonsense........pio dejalo q coma mierda loco
ishkur wrote:
| quote: | | please show me why he owns me,because its just luck taht he even exist,very well pio could've been oip,not pio,ect...ect...ect... |
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| Pio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aiwendil
Number one, Bambaataa has said more than once that he thought Trans-Europe-Express sounded funky to him, and number two, Arthur Baker produced Planet Rock... |
I thought it was a collab between Baker and Bombaataaa, but anyway....
Trans Euro Express sounds funky, yes, in a derivative sense. Does it sound like actual funk and soul? No, it sounds like German kids trying to re-interpret what they've learned of funk through a foreign experience. It has a very, very Euro feel to it in and out that is definitely foreign to what American funk is all about. Now Planet Rock is the real thing.....black Americans put the real funk in electro funk, and it happened through a natural process. |
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| Pio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Driguez
ishkur pio owns you,so stop it with the nonsense........pio dejalo q coma mierda loco
ishkur wrote:
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jaja gracias mano. :cool: |
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| Driguez |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
jaja gracias mano. :cool: |
no prob :toothless |
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| Aiwendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
I thought it was a collab between Baker and Bombaataaa, but anyway.... |
Says here on Arthur Baker.net. Produced, mixed, and written. In 1981 no less.
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Trans Euro Express sounds funky, yes, in a derivative sense. Does it sound like actual funk and soul? No, it sounds like German kids trying to re-interpret what they've learned of funk through a foreign experience. It has a very, very Euro feel to it in and out that is definitely foreign to what American funk is all about. Now Planet Rock is the real thing.....black Americans put the real funk in electro funk, and it happened through a natural process. |
You're on top of things. |
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| Trance-MB |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
I understand what you're saying, but you're really missing the point. Man, I lived in Amsterdam for a year. The people in Holland LOVE their epic trance. I'd go to a flea market, to a barbershop, to a coffeeshop, to Burger King....and they'd all be playing epic Dutch trance at some point. Would you really hear any of this walking around the streets of Paris or Prague? Probably not.
It's already part of the culture. Sure, they will always root for the home team and the homegrown music, but they actually enjoy this music, and for the same reason they enjoy their Gouda cheese. Its rich taste is predictable, it's a guilty pleasure, and they can never have enough of it.
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Exactly.....but like you did, I believe people have to experience this to believe it.
And although I like Armin and Ferry more then Tiesto, I admire what he has reached. No DJ did what he did (e.g. Tiesto in Concert, Opening Olympic Games, World Best DJ, world wide known). And how did he do it? Not because of his looks and not because of his mixing capabilities.
Point is that you don't have to be a big fan of Tiesto to have a great time when he's playing. What is better than having a great time no matter who is playing. I think this is what's behind the success of Tiesto. People had a great time when he played at the point he was not well known. Then they ask:"Who this guy who's playing?" So if you liked it and know he is playing somewhere again, you want to be there. I think that's the way it works. If I see a remix of Ferry I want to listen to it, because there is a big chance I will like it, just because he made the remix in his style. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-MB
And although I like Armin and Ferry more then Tiesto, I admire what he has reached. No DJ did what he did (e.g. Tiesto in Concert, Opening Olympic Games, World Best DJ, world wide known). |
Paul Oakenfold has done many high-profile gigs, and Norman Cook (Fatboy Slim) is easily more well-known world-wide, and has played to attendances far larger than Tiesto. Oakey has opened for U2, supported Madonna and played the Great Wall of China. Cook has played to 300,000 people in a South American gig, and 250,000 in a gig in his hometown of Brighton. He's also sold at least ten million records under various aliases throughout the last 17 years of dance music.
Tiesto's only trump card is that an apparent billion people witnessed his set at the Olympics, which is to say they tuned into the programme and heard some background music. You ask every one of those billion people who Tiesto is, and I guarentee that less than 1% will know he was the DJ at the Olympics, much less care. |
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| Wyndham |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Paul Oakenfold has done many high-profile gigs, and Norman Cook (Fatboy Slim) is easily more well-known world-wide, and has played to attendances far larger than Tiesto. Oakey has opened for U2, supported Madonna and played the Great Wall of China. Cook has played to 300,000 people in a South American gig, and 250,000 in a gig in his hometown of Brighton. He's also sold at least ten million records under various aliases throughout the last 17 years of dance music.
Tiesto's only trump card is that an apparent billion people witnessed his set at the Olympics, which is to say they tuned into the programme and heard some background music. You ask every one of those billion people who Tiesto is, and I guarentee that less than 1% will know he was the DJ at the Olympics, much less care. |
good post
in answer to the original arguement between these 2...tiesto does not read crowds nor trys that hard to mix properly. I'd definately have to side with ishkur on that, i can't be bothered to read the other they're arguing about.
Yea tiesto used to be decent pre 2002 but all he cares about now is being famous and the $$. Hes pretty much the laughing stock of the trance world.... yet people still raise their arms and scream his name during his train wrecks...blows my mind when there's so many better djs out there...but what can u do... marketing and money always win |
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| teknomonki |
| Pio, you are a TA hero! Congrats on handing Ishkur's ass to him with every reply and entertaining us at the same time. :toocool: |
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| harriz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
I really doubt that Tiësto was trying to impress you. hehehe. I never said that he was playing obscure tracks at all...but he did step out of the norm by playing an 11 year old track from the early trance days. That's not quite common these days.
[quote]Even Z-Trip will repeat about 5 tracks when doing gigs in consecutive weekends. |
If dj skills were driving, here's Z-trip :
and here's Tiesto :
| quote: | | At the big city venues in America, the likes of Oakenfold, Tiësto, PvD charge easily over $35,000 per gig. If you add all the gigs they've done here since 1999, plus album sales, all of them have made millions in this continent. |
And how much of that goes back to promotion? A SCARY number. Without his PR he is empty.
His music is ing empty.
There is just no substance to the fluffy music he is putting out.
How does he get magazine covers, interviews countless pages & articles every month so he can be the great ''King of Trance'' ?
Why do you have a poster of ''tiesto in concert'' on your wall?
Go at the dj booth and you will see posters of Ferry Corsten, Armin Van buuren, Tiesto, Paul van Dyk, Ministry of sound and so on...
Ishkur is wasting too much ing energy into trying to explain to you that you like
& buy Dj tiesto because you were told to.
You saw it in the magazine.
You heard it on the radio.
His music is made to appeal to you.
His sets are cut to appeal to you.
You did not find the dj tiesto thing on your own. It found you. |
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| daeus |
| quote: | Originally posted by EriK_V
I've read many complaints about his mixing. Can someone please post a quick sample of a bad mix/transition? Thanks |
If your're in to trance u shud know.
Before even looking at his comments i would have said he was a Glory Dj only playing cheese allot of the time, we live in a celebrity obsessed culture, i listen to dj's who i like not who everyone else likes ! |
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| Pio |
| quote: | Originally posted by harriz
If dj skills were driving, here's Z-trip :
and here's Tiesto :
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Don't take my comments out of context. I never compared their technical skills, and I never would.
| quote: | And how much of that goes back to promotion? A SCARY number. Without his PR he is empty.
His music is ing empty.
There is just no substance to the fluffy music he is putting out.
How does he get magazine covers, interviews countless pages & articles every month so he can be the great ''King of Trance'' ?
Why do you have a poster of ''tiesto in concert'' on your wall?
Go at the dj booth and you will see posters of Ferry Corsten, Armin Van buuren, Tiesto, Paul van Dyk, Ministry of sound and so on...
Ishkur is wasting too much ing energy into trying to explain to you that you like
& buy Dj tiesto because you were told to.
You saw it in the magazine.
You heard it on the radio.
His music is made to appeal to you.
His sets are cut to appeal to you.
You did not find the dj tiesto thing on your own. It found you. |
Your condescending bull is not amusing to me. I became a fan of Tiësto's muisc in the early Forbidden Paradise/first Magik days. That was back in 1997-1998. Where I live, there's no way that I could've heard his music on the radio or read about it on a magazine. I discovered Tiësto by accident....I was very involved in my local drum n' bass scene back then and there was no trance scene at all. Marketing didn't do anything to me...Au contraire, I went to much more trance parties 4-5 years than I do now, when there is much more marketing supporting that scene.
But alright, I'll tell you how it actually happened. I was browsing around Napster and I found a track by someone named DJ Tiesto. As a Spanish-speaker, I was curious to see who this "flowerpot" guy was, and I was pretty sure that I was probably downloading an underground reggaeton mix.
Right now I'm listening to this C2C & Merg set (DMC champs) from the Essential Mix. Now THAT listening experience is a result of marketing, since I listen to pretty much every single EM?
Great set and great turntablism btw. If you're interested:
http://www.deft.dreamhosters.com/Es....MERG.&.C2C.zip
Tracklist:
C2C - DMC World Team Mix Champions
Springroove- 'So Real (Instrumental)' (White Label)
C2C DMC 2003 Show (Live)
20syl - 'Live On An Mpc'' (Live)
Hocus Pocus- 'J'aimerais (Ijkl...Nop)' ( On And On Records )
C2C / Louis Armstrong- 'Tribute To Mack The Knife' (White Label)
Sumerian Atlantic Tribe- 'Solid' (Sat Prod)
Hocus Pocus Feat The Procussions- 'Hip Hop?' ( On And On Records )
Hocus Pocus Feat C2C- 'Feel Good' ( On And On Records )
C2C DMC 2004 Show (Live)
Cesaria Evora- 'Petit Pays (20Syl Hip Hop Remix)' (White Label)
Dajla How- 'Unsigned Demo' (White Label)
Dj Atom (C2C)- 'Level 1-2-3-4' (Live)
Dj Greem- 'Routine' (Live)
Dj Shadow / Pfel- 'Scratch Session' (Live)
Melodiq- 'Unknown' (White Label)
Hocus Pocus / C2C- 'Keep It Movin' ( On And On Records )
Clone- 'Incorporated (C2C Remix)' (BPM Prod / Night & Day)
Dj Pfel- 'Beat Down Routine' (Live)
Dj Atom- 'Wheels On Fire' (Live)
Hocus Pocus Feat Ty- 'On And On Part II' ( On And On Records )
C2C DMC 2005 Show (Live)
Dj Greem- 'Outro' (Exclusive)
IE Merg - DMC World Individual Mix Champion
Ricci Rucker- 'Ox Demo 8' (Unknown)
Metro Area - 'Caught Up' ( Environ )
Cut Copy - 'Future' (Modular)
Ratatat- 'Seventeen Years' ( Rex Records )
Mount Sims- 'Falling Up' ( International DJ Gigolo )
Junior Boys- 'Birthday' ( KIN )
The Knife- 'You take my Breath Away (Mylo Remix) ( Rabid Records )
Client- 'Radio' ( Toast Hawaii )
Gwen Stefani- 'What Are You Waiting For (Thin White Duke)' (Interscope)
Alex Smoke-'Needs ' ( Soma )
VHS or Beta- 'Night On Fire (Cut Copy remix)' (Astralwerks )
Machine Drum- 'Make a Decision' ( Merck )
Tiefshwarz Feat. Chikinki- 'Wait & See' ( Fine )
Mr. Oizo- '1$44' ( F Communications )
Japan- 'Quiet Life' (Hansa)
The Chameleons - 'Second Skin' (Glass Pyramid)
The Sound- 'Party Of the Mind' (Unknown)
DFA 1979 /Joy Division- 'Isolation (Merg Remix)' ( 679 Recordings )
DFA 1979 - 'Romantic Rights (Erol Alkan remix)' 679 Recordings )
Zoot Woman- 'Grey Day' ( Wall Of Sound )
Editors- 'Blood' ( PIAS )
The Departure- 'Don't Come Any Closer' ( Parlophone)
Moving Units- 'Between Us and Them' ( RX Records )
Danse Society- 'Somewhere' ( Society Records
Elkland- 'Apart (Merg edit)' (Columbia) |
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