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Please post a sample of a bad Tiesto mix (pg. 23)
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| EriK_V |
the one sample that has been posted thus far was far from a trainwreck. so, from what i've heard, he's not that bad at mixing. from the tracklists posted, it seems that the music he plays is very commercial and very much his own. what i have deduced: if you want more underground tunes, don't go see him.
i commend everyone in this thread. only one sample has been posted. i created this thread last week and it's going strong. amazing. such long posts too |
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| Trance-MB |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Paul Oakenfold has done many high-profile gigs, and Norman Cook (Fatboy Slim) is easily more well-known world-wide, and has played to attendances far larger than Tiesto. Oakey has opened for U2, supported Madonna and played the Great Wall of China. Cook has played to 300,000 people in a South American gig, and 250,000 in a gig in his hometown of Brighton. He's also sold at least ten million records under various aliases throughout the last 17 years of dance music.
Tiesto's only trump card is that an apparent billion people witnessed his set at the Olympics, which is to say they tuned into the programme and heard some background music. You ask every one of those billion people who Tiesto is, and I guarentee that less than 1% will know he was the DJ at the Olympics, much less care. |
Of course Paul and Norman are great and world wide known DJ's. Nice numbers by the way, but how many people listened to Tiesto's gigs?
From DJ Magazine:
| quote: | | There really was no disputing Tiësto's position in the 2004 poll. Previously, Paul Oakenfold and Carl Cox had both won the award twice, but last year Tiësto took things to a whole new level. His 25,000 capacity stadium gigs, and his DJ set at the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games to a TV audience in excess of 4.5 billion, meant no other DJ could compete. Last year Tiësto was crowned No.1 for the third year in a row. |
Current position at DJ List?
http://www.thedjlist.com/djs/
And for who is best known, did you do a poll or travel around the world or so? Did I claim that Tiesto is most world wide known DJ? No, I don't have facts to prove that, but he is world wide known.
About Tiesto in Concert: Tiësto was the first DJ to hold a solo concert in a stadium when he did so for over 25 000 people.
So he did do some great things no DJ has done before.
U2? Trance? Tiesto declined making a remix for U2 and wouldn't play for a stupid brick wall :) |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
The people in Holland LOVE their epic trance.
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The question isn't whether it's part of their culture to love epic trance....the question is whether they would love epic trance if none of those DJs were dutch.
Again. Homerism. You love what your hometown produces, not out of genuine affection or objective consideration, but out of communal loyalty.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
I told you already that once a movement is pioneered according to someone's context and personal aesthetics, it can be exported for its adaptation and its imitation. That's why I'm not surprised at all to know that there's French house coming from Sweden and Canada, just as much as I'm not surprised to see fluffy euro trance coming from Long Island or suburban Michigan.
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That's not your argument. Your argument is that there is a carefully guarded, secreted, pure and brilliant sense of musicianship ingrained in the Dutch culture which entitles them and ONLY them to come up with a certain kind of music....a music that no one else could possibly have thought of, so they need the Dutch to show them the way.
I say that's bull. Not to mention arrogant.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
Now you're saying that musical discourse is a product of luck?
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All things considered, if you've studied history, you'll find that most everything that's come about is almost due to complete and total randomness. People/systems/cultures don't have a conscious idea of what they're doing or where they're going, beyond immediate survival. But they stumble upon things by accident, and a second generation usually finds some applicability with them, and then that worms its way further until standards developed. This is true everywhere. Regardless of city, location or culture. Irrespective of technology, ideas....or music.
Your cultural esthetics are worthless.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
Could it have been invented by white people, let alone Germans?
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Yes.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
I'm not going to go over this again. French house will always sound as a product of French intellectual discourse to me
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You should start listening to Garage music more.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
Does Trans Europe Express really sound "funky" to you?
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Yes.
Musique Non-stop is a far funkier track, however.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
That's funny, I actually came up with the term McProg to categorize these fluffy American prog trance producers: Gabriel & Dresden, Markus Schulz, Elevation, and a bunch of other contemporary producers not even worth mentioning. |
I invented the term McTrance in 1999 to refer to the sudden tendancy of anthem trance producers to rape the same template over and over again in their quest to fill the gaping mouths of newbie trance ravers who couldn't get enough anthems and snare rolls. During its height, the anthems were so ridiculously popular that producers couldn't churn them out fast enough. Transa made no less than 12 tracks with the same settings. He didn't even change the weight of the percussion any. Some of them were being spit out in mere hours. It was pulp trance. Cheap, aimless knockoffs capitalizing on the big anthemic hits. It was like they had an assembly line going, with a computer generating insta-melodies, the same values in the drums, basslines, pads and leads, and slapped onto Super Ibiza Trance Nation Best Club Anthems Ever Vol. 834 compilations. It reminded me of fast food.....something of no actual quality or sustenance, made cheaply for mass digestion. Hence: McTrance.
Now....what was your reasoning behind the McProg monicker, other than being a gracious stylebiter? |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-MB
About Tiesto in Concert: Tiësto was the first DJ to hold a solo concert in a stadium when he did so for over 25 000 people.
So he did do some great things no DJ has done before.
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actually Oakenfold, Sasha and Digweed among others played DJ sets in arenas long before Tiesto started his In Concert sets.
Nothing new there |
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| Wyndham |
| quote: | Originally posted by EriK_V
i commend everyone in this thread. only one sample has been posted. i created this thread last week and it's going strong. amazing. such long posts too |
haha thats what happens when u make a tiesto thread.
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
actually Oakenfold, Sasha and Digweed among others played DJ sets in arenas long before Tiesto started his In Concert sets.
Nothing new there |
but he promoted the out of it...and reaped all the benifits
lol pio "i actually came up with the term mcprog"
ishkur is at least believeable with the mctrance term. |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Wyndham
lol pio "i actually came up with the term mcprog" |
search for mcprog on the boards. he was the first person ever to use the term it's only since then it's been coined all over the place |
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| Abhay |
No-one's mentioned it yet, but i think this thread is getting linked to the DJ polls around, and how well Tiesto does.
It's important to understand, that when a lot of ppl vote for their favourite DJ, they don't just look at the "DJing skills". They see production and remixes, as part of the world class DJs repatwar (or however the hell u spell that).
Knowing that, is it really hard that hard to believe, that a lot of ppl, including me, appreciate Tiesto's skills, that aren't related to his mixing abilities on a live set.
In the end, i think the polls just need to be better defined. Maybe it's better to have separate polls for productions, remixes, and Live Sets. |
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| Clovis86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-MB
Of course Paul and Norman are great and world wide known DJ's. Nice numbers by the way, but how many people listened to Tiesto's gigs?
From DJ Magazine:
Current position at DJ List?
http://www.thedjlist.com/djs/
And for who is best known, did you do a poll or travel around the world or so? Did I claim that Tiesto is most world wide known DJ? No, I don't have facts to prove that, but he is world wide known.
About Tiesto in Concert: Tiësto was the first DJ to hold a solo concert in a stadium when he did so for over 25 000 people.
So he did do some great things no DJ has done before.
U2? Trance? Tiesto declined making a remix for U2 and wouldn't play for a stupid brick wall :) |
I'm sure Britney Spears has packed a stadium with 25k people.
And we know her music is just so amazing. |
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| Abhay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis86
I'm sure Britney Spears has packed a stadium with 25k people.
And we know her music is just so amazing. |
HEY MAN! DON'T STEP ON BRITNEY SPEARS!! :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: |
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| Abhay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Now....what was your reasoning behind the McProg monicker, other than being a gracious stylebiter? |
I think he's referring to how Prog has the same thing happenening to it, with the glittery sound of Markus Schulz, being the way everyone is going.
Don't take my word for it, i'm not into prog. |
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| superglo |
this thread is entertaining.
it's like watching wrestling.
ppl make loud noises at each other.
a few big matches, then a third party intervenes.
back to square one.
haha |
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by superglo
this thread is entertaining.
it's like watching wrestling.
ppl make loud noises at each other.
a few big matches, then a third party intervenes.
back to square one.
haha |
We need hulk hogan, he would sort this out in an instant. |
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