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Please post a sample of a bad Tiesto mix (pg. 8)
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitranceman
You hear that sound in the background?...yeah, that one...it's people having a good time and not caring about the transition! |
You do realize that's the whole problem, don't you. |
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| SteveMKIIDub |
| Wow, as I sit here listening to a G&D set.. I'd get owned in any discussion with some of you! |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
and from events hall, november last year.. for two tracks in exactly the same key with almost identical basslines, he doesn't half make them clash: http://isoterra.artists.mpfspromoti.../tiestomix4.mp3 ....i could probably do that transition better with my eyes closed & my right hand tied behind my back
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LOL!!! Worlds nr1 DJ three times in a row! After that transition he deserves it! :stongue: :wtf: |
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| miamitranceman |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
You do realize that's the whole problem, don't you. |
No, the point is everyone is having a blast at the event, not sitting on their computers talking about transitions. |
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| Clovis86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitranceman
No, the point is everyone is having a blast at the event, not sitting on their computers talking about transitions. |
Because they're a bunch of idiots who could be at a hip hop party having fun.
If you don't care about good mixing you're not a true EDM fan. |
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitranceman
No, the point is everyone is having a blast at the event, not sitting on their computers talking about transitions. |
Kirk Hammet flubs on a guitar solo, he gets heckled.
Robert Plant fails to hit a note, he gets heckled.
50 Cent s up his raps, he gets heckled.
Ashley Simpson forgets which song to lip sync to, she gets heckled.
Tiesto trainwrecks, he gets cheered.
Folks can have a blast at an event all they like, and sometimes when the performer messes up, part of the fun is heckling them because of it (good naturedly or viciously). But if someone is cheered when they unintentionally mess up, I seriously question the audience's intelligence because of it. It's blind worship if you aren't at least somewhat critical of what they're doing. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
But trance does pretty much the same thing, taking itself a bit more seriously.
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And that, my friend, is where it fails. No music should ever try to be something its not. Just look at the pompous mess its gotten itself into.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
I was talking in the past sense. Tracks like Age of Love, Stella, Love Stimulation, For an Angel and even later tracks such as Gouryella were popular in dancefloors all over the world not because of the personalities behind them, but because of the music.
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Bull. Those tracks were popular because they got marketing management, radio airplay, CD promotion, and big ing stadium DJs playing it. In a soccer field, just about any track will sound like its handed down from the gods.
You're giving the people too much credit. They. Are. Not. That. Sophisticated. When. It. Comes. To Music. To us it's second nature and fairly simple, but they only like what reaches their ears above all the other din that reaches their ears. Thus, repetitive and oversaturation is what gets something played. Not quality.
Gouryella is the most boring, unoriginal by-the-numbers template trance tune in the world, raping a formula that had been raped several million times over by a million anthem tracks before it. But why was it such a hit? .....guess who produced it. Guess who was pushing it. Money is 99% of marketing. You throw enough money at damn near anything, it will sell. It will sell because the people believe it's something they have to buy. I remember when mp3.com had its big electronic music section, and there were thousands of amateur-produced anthem trance tunes, all of them just as adequate. But they didn't have big money/big label/big DJs pushing it. So the crackers didn't care.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
I remember going to parties at Twilo before 2000 where PvD was playing |
The TAZ was already shattered at this point. The rest is superfluous nonsense.
Besides, a TAZ can not emerge in a club--especially not one like Twilo--anyway. Too many rules and regulations.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
Good DJs are almost always producers.
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That's because the DJ gets all the attention and accolades because they are the most visible, thus they get all the coke, blow, strippers, money, etc.......so its a conscious decision by producers to move into this field to maximize a return on their investment.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
I'm not talking about any big DJ...I wouldn't say that the likes of Armin or Ferry are better DJ performers than any amateur DJ with an ear and a grasp of beatmatching.Their only advantage is that they have been renowned producers, own labels, and have a wide access to the music that trance crackers like.
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No, their advantage is that they have public relations firms disseminating their swill to a neophyte populace who still think that they make all the tracks on their mix CDs all by themselves.
Look at the TA top 100 list, and see how confused people still are over the role of the DJ and the producer.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
DJing dance music is, however, an art.
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Art, sure. But it's not, like.....an oil painter on a blank canvas art. It's more like cutting pictures out of magazines with a pair of safety scissors and gluing them onto a tote board in a neat little collage.
I remember doing that when I was in elementary school. Do you think the art community respects such craftsmanship?
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
1. Tiësto: his principal crowd reading skill is
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*chortle*
You haven't seen very many good DJs, have you?
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
2. PvD: As far as mixing goes, he's probably the antithesis of Tiësto. Precision and sharpness in the transition
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You wanna know something? I tied my shoes this morning all by myself. There was a sharp, distinctive flair in the way I wove the double knot against itself, a seamless transition that would allow the loop to come out naturally. It was tight and pristine, but still snug against my ankle, and the way the loops balanced out, side to side, with the aglets working harmonically as counterweights, allowed for a greater expression and freedom of foot movement as I picked up my keys and head out the door. Probably the most amazing thing about my shoe-tying skills is the way I deftly use my index finger to do all the work, which is a stark contrast to the normal way that people tie their shoes. The one-loop technique is what I use, for speed, efficiency and expediency. Unlike others who may use the two-loop wrap-around technique, I've found that I can get more structural support and better, more cohesive closed off balance in the long run. It's all about reading the laces and choosing the best knot style that fits with the activities of the day, whether it be running, walking, or just out n about doing errands. The aesthetic precision of my shoe-tying is, I feel, second to none.
heh.
You can flower it up all you want, bull is still bull.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
3. Sasha and Digweed
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Listen, looking at it very simply musicology and ethnically, Sasha & Digweed are essentially Imperical maleonglece of a rhythmically radical yet verbally passé and temporally transcended lyrically content welded with historically innovative melodical material transposed and transmogrified by the ankus of the Progressive ethic experience which elevated them from essentially alpha exponents of in essence merely beta potential harmonic material into the prime cultural exponents of Aloin condensic prog standard form.
*smack*
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
4. Richie Hawtin: reads the crowd
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Richie Hawtin's not a trance DJ, and he doesn't read crowds. He plays whatever the he wants, whether the crowd likes it or not is a non-issue to him. He plays for himself. He doesn't even look up or acknowledge anyone around him. He is one of the most technical DJs I've ever seen.
He's also a robot.
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
I could go on
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You haven't even started yet. I said cite EXAMPLES of great crowd-reading, instead you piss on my leg and tell me its raining. Are you even paying attention.? |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| what the hell is TAZ? |
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| colonelcrisp |
| WOW:eyes: :eyes: |
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| Pio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
And that, my friend, is where it fails. No music should ever try to be something its not. Just look at the pompous mess its gotten itself into. |
Subjective opinion...
| quote: | | Bull. Those tracks were popular because they got marketing management, radio airplay, CD promotion, and big ing stadium DJs playing it. In a soccer field, just about any track will sound like its handed down from the gods. |
Age of Love and Love Stimulation were popular as a result of marketing? That's a bold statement to make my friend, and I couldn't disagree any more. I hope you have evidence to back that up...
| quote: | You're giving the people too much credit. They. Are. Not. That. Sophisticated. When. It. Comes. To Music. To us it's second nature and fairly simple, but they only like what reaches their ears above all the other din that reaches their ears. Thus, repetitive and oversaturation is what gets something played. Not quality.
Gouryella is the most boring, unoriginal by-the-numbers template trance tune in the world, raping a formula that had been raped several million times over by a million anthem tracks before it. But why was it such a hit? .....guess who produced it. Guess who was pushing it. Money is 99% of marketing. You throw enough money at damn near anything, it will sell. It will sell because the people believe it's something they have to buy. I remember when mp3.com had its big electronic music section, and there were thousands of amateur-produced anthem trance tunes, all of them just as adequate. But they didn't have big money/big label/big DJs pushing it. So the crackers didn't care. |
Gouryella could rock a dancefloor like no other back in its time. The quality of production was ahead of its time Give me an example of one of those mp3.com trance anthems and I'll let you have that one.
| quote: | The TAZ was already shattered at this point. The rest is superfluous nonsense.
Besides, a TAZ can not emerge in a club--especially not one like Twilo--anyway. Too many rules and regulations. |
Twilo had many rules and regulations? :stongue:
You obviously never went there. I'm telling you how I actually lived the whole experience of that crazy place. You can't judge if there was TAZ or not if you weren't there. Besides, before that I was going to raves in the most exotic locations in the Caribbean as I grew up in Puerto Rico. Raves in the rainforest, tropical beaches, and secluded beaches. Granted that these parties were mostly hosted by the top dnb DJs such as Andy C and LTJ Bukem, but those experiences definitely made me experience TAZ at firsthand.
| quote: | | That's because the DJ gets all the attention and accolades because they are the most visible, thus they get all the coke, blow, strippers, money, etc.......so its a conscious decision by producers to move into this field to maximize a return on their investment. |
Microeconomics 101. Thank you.
| quote: | | No, their advantage is that they have public relations firms disseminating their swill to a neophyte populace who still think that they make all the tracks on their mix CDs all by themselves. |
No difference from what I said about the likes of Armin and Ferry...
| quote: | | Look at the TA top 100 list, and see how confused people still are over the role of the DJ and the producer. |
It's a popularity contest. Why do you give it so much credit?
| quote: | Art, sure. But it's not, like.....an oil painter on a blank canvas art. It's more like cutting pictures out of magazines with a pair of safety scissors and gluing them onto a tote board in a neat little collage.
I remember doing that when I was in elementary school. Do you think the art community respects such craftsmanship? |
We all know that it's not that simple...
| quote: | *chortle*
You haven't seen very many good DJs, have you? |
I've seen way too many DJs in my lifetime. But this debate isn't about me, is it?
| quote: | You wanna know something? I tied my shoes this morning all by myself. There was a sharp, distinctive flair in the way I wove the double knot against itself, a seamless transition that would allow the loop to come out naturally. It was tight and pristine, but still snug against my ankle, and the way the loops balanced out, side to side, with the aglets working harmonically as counterweights, allowed for a greater expression and freedom of foot movement as I picked up my keys and head out the door. Probably the most amazing thing about my shoe-tying skills is the way I deftly use my index finger to do all the work, which is a stark contrast to the normal way that people tie their shoes. The one-loop technique is what I use, for speed, efficiency and expediency. Unlike others who may use the two-loop wrap-around technique, I've found that I can get more structural support and better, more cohesive closed off balance in the long run. It's all about reading the laces and choosing the best knot style that fits with the activities of the day, whether it be running, walking, or just out n about doing errands. The aesthetic precision of my shoe-tying is, I feel, second to none.
heh.
You can flower it up all you want, bull is still bull.
Listen, looking at it very simply musicology and ethnically, Sasha & Digweed are essentially Imperical maleonglece of a rhythmically radical yet verbally passé and temporally transcended lyrically content welded with historically innovative melodical material transposed and transmogrified by the ankus of the Progressive ethic experience which elevated them from essentially alpha exponents of in essence merely beta potential harmonic material into the prime cultural exponents of Aloin condensic prog standard form.
*smack*
Richie Hawtin's not a trance DJ, and he doesn't read crowds. He plays whatever the he wants, whether the crowd likes it or not is a non-issue to him. He plays for himself. He doesn't even look up or acknowledge anyone around him. He is one of the most technical DJs I've ever seen.
He's also a robot.
You haven't even started yet. I said cite EXAMPLES of great crowd-reading, instead you piss on my leg and tell me its raining. Are you even paying attention.? |
Snarky and funny as always, Ishkur. But you're just dismissing my opinion with asinine comments and condescending dismissals for the simple reasons that you never really understood trance from day 1.
It's ok, it's not meant for everyone. I just got back from the club and saw a local DJ play the latest clownstep and another one imitating verbatim Steve Lawler's tech tribal style. It was fun and I danced my ass off. Still kind of ed and it's almost 6 am...good morning. :clown: |
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| A.J. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis86
Because they're a bunch of idiots who could be at a hip hop party having fun.
If you don't care about good mixing you're not a true EDM fan. |
No. |
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