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It is 2009 People... Isn't everybody tired of this minimal Bull***t by Now??? (pg. 13)
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| Light The Fuse |
| quote: | Originally posted by ponsshin
And you are...? |
the same as you |
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| hundred |
| ISN'T EVERYBODY TIRED OF JOHN O'CALLAGHAN? SOMEBODY SEND JOHN O'CALLAGHAN TO AFRICA SO HE CAN MAKE TRIBAL MUSIC INSTEAD OF CHEESY VOCAL TRACKS |
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| stevësto |
| quote: | Originally posted by Existo22
Minimal fans are so self-righteous they actually believe that they are the only people worthy of minimal fandom. The rest of us mortal dance fans totally don’t get minimal because our simple taste for music is ‘’unrefined and underdeveloped’’ and their taste of music is of greater virtue than ours. And in this phony retarded sheep like way of thinking. lies the appeal of minimal.
See… minimal fans think that being a minimal fan lets them into some big secret that nobody else gets. They think that only a select few can decode this ‘’super intelligent’’ music but the fact of the matter is, any idiot can understand minimal because its hidden appeal lies in the fact that it gives the illusion of being electronic music for smart people. So as long as there’s something on the record to ‘’figure out’’ or ‘’interpret’’, it’s going to make some college kid feel smart. ;)
Faux intellectualism like this at the expense of real music cannot go unpunished. |
that describes the scene quite well. the idea of underground is appealing. like i said earlier, the music and scene is bull, and i dont mind its existence, but people should not be forced into this bull.
iow, minimal would be great if it was an option to go hear, another menu choice on the club music diet. but no, instead what has happened is it became the standard for non mainstream club music. so you end up with hip hop at one club, hip hop at the club next door, minimal tech deep house at the next club, and hip hop at the club next to that.
the line of thinking for most djs trying to get a club night monthly, bi weekly, or weekly event going, they want to:
A.) make people dance
B.) not have to resort to hip hop and
C.) be relevant to today's dance music (be up to date)
its that desire to be underground, to be under the radar, to be an alternative to the mainstream, that in the end it backfires and fails.
i always ask people what their mission or motivation is when they play a dive bar in a strip mall with a handful of "supporters" show up bobbing their heads like chickens. they always say "we're keeping it real, none of that hip hop crap everyone likes". well theres so many music choices they couldve used to get a party going that isn't hip hop, but they wont play an electro house or dnb or trance tune because "nobody likes that stuff anymore, that's old ".
in a condensed metro area its nice to have many options for music to go out and hear, and minimal would be one of them. but for every other smaller/medium size city or town, it sucks that their options are limited to just hip hop, hip hop, and minimal deep tech drum loopy music. theres a huge gap there that needs to be filled. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
^ Good post, although I think it's possible that a lot of purist-minded fans would reject DJs who actually attempted real diversity rather than dutifully playing whatever narrow range of sounds is "in."
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevësto
that describes the scene quite well. the idea of underground is appealing. like i said earlier, the music and scene is bull, and i dont mind its existence, but people should not be forced into this bull. |
Who's being "forced" into it? There's a vast variety of music out there if you actually put some effort into finding it. You only feel forced if you allow yourself to be forced.
| quote: | iow, minimal would be great if it was an option to go hear, another menu choice on the club music diet. but no, instead what has happened is it became the standard for non mainstream club music. so you end up with hip hop at one club, hip hop at the club next door, minimal tech deep house at the next club, and hip hop at the club next to that.
the line of thinking for most djs trying to get a club night monthly, bi weekly, or weekly event going, they want to:
A.) make people dance
B.) not have to resort to hip hop and
C.) be relevant to today's dance music (be up to date)
its that desire to be underground, to be under the radar, to be an alternative to the mainstream, that in the end it backfires and fails. |
Really? Maybe in St. Petersburg, sure. On any given weekend here you'll find Drum & Bass/Dubstep, Hip-Hop, Reggae, "Minimal/underground" :stongue:, Trance and "Electro." I don't know how limited your experience may or may not be, but I assure you that simply because you might be experiencing this does not mean that it applies to every city.
| quote: | | i always ask people what their mission or motivation is when they play a dive bar in a strip mall with a handful of "supporters" show up bobbing their heads like chickens. they always say "we're keeping it real, none of that hip hop crap everyone likes". well theres so many music choices they couldve used to get a party going that isn't hip hop, but they wont play an electro house or dnb or trance tune because "nobody likes that stuff anymore, that's old ". |
What? Really? Again, maybe in A.) St. Petersburg, and B.) Other places you've experienced. Here, promoters are knowledgeable and people who want to "play a dive bar in a strip mall" know better than to try and be as underground as possible. The only EDM nights that people try throw at places like that are Electro House, Trance or DnB because the people throwing those parties are smart enough to know that, "Hey, we want people to come out, so we can't keep it too underground."
| quote: | | in a condensed metro area its nice to have many options for music to go out and hear, and minimal would be one of them. but for every other smaller/medium size city or town, it sucks that their options are limited to just hip hop, hip hop, and minimal deep tech drum loopy music. theres a huge gap there that needs to be filled. |
Once again, you're greatly blanketing every small town just based off of your experience. Granted, I'm not going to sit here and say that every small town has diversity when it comes to EDM, but I can sit here and say with absolute certainty that there are plenty of them out there that do, and that you're being incredibly ignorant with your statements. |
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| Neo95gt |
| quote: | Originally posted by hundred
ISN'T EVERYBODY TIRED OF JOHN O'CALLAGHAN? SOMEBODY SEND JOHN O'CALLAGHAN TO AFRICA SO HE CAN MAKE TRIBAL MUSIC INSTEAD OF CHEESY VOCAL TRACKS |
Stop spamming this stupid ing post in every thread. You sound like a retard. |
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| hundred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Neo95gt
Stop spamming this stupid ing post in every thread. You sound like a retard. |
it's different each time :toothless nice observation fag bag :haha:. |
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| stevësto |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Who's being "forced" into it? There's a vast variety of music out there if you actually put some effort into finding it. You only feel forced if you allow yourself to be forced.
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When there are only so many clubs in your town and the music options are limited to what i said.
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Really? Maybe in St. Petersburg, sure. On any given weekend here you'll find Drum & Bass/Dubstep, Hip-Hop, Reggae, "Minimal/underground" :stongue:, Trance and "Electro." I don't know how limited your experience may or may not be, but I assure you that simply because you might be experiencing this does not mean that it applies to every city.
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and vice versa.
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
and B.) Other places you've experienced.
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Dallas, Miami, Atlanta have variety, but its all one off events. plus hearing people from all over the US that come to WMC describe their local scene.
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Here, promoters are knowledgeable and people who want to "play a dive bar in a strip mall" know better than to try and be as underground as possible. The only EDM nights that people try throw at places like that are Electro House, Trance or DnB because the people throwing those parties are smart enough to know that, "Hey, we want people to come out, so we can't keep it too underground."
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i was talking about how anyone throwing a club night that is not hip hop have a hard time convincing downtown club owners it will pull in money, so they end up doing it in a bar on the outskirts. not sure about that blanket statement you made towards the end.
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Once again, you're greatly blanketing every small town just based off of your experience. Granted, I'm not going to sit here and say that every small town has diversity when it comes to EDM, but I can sit here and say with absolute certainty that there are plenty of them out there that do, and that you're being incredibly ignorant with your statements. |
im making a generalization based on my experience, while you spend your time and energy as a whistle blower pointing out over and over like a broken record that "not every town is like that! not every town is like that!"
the whole point i was making is that the popularity of drum loopy underground music blew up way too big and has had a negative effect on many scenes. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevësto
When there are only so many clubs in your town and the music options are limited to what i said. |
Thank you for clarifying.
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Granted, I'm not going to sit here and say that every small town has diversity when it comes to EDM... |
| quote: | | Dallas, Miami, Atlanta have variety, but its all one off events. plus hearing people from all over the US that come to WMC describe their local scene. |
New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Detroit, Portland, Seattle, etc. Also, I can talk to a lot of people too, but who's to say that their own observations aren't skewed to begin with?
| quote: | | i was talking about how anyone throwing a club night that is not hip hop have a hard time convincing downtown club owners it will pull in money, so they end up doing it in a bar on the outskirts. not sure about that blanket statement you made towards the end. |
Let's disregard the blanket statement I made at the end. My apologies. In some places, sure, I can see people having a tough time. It's all about getting started. A way of going about it would be to appeal to the largest common denominator in terms of EDM, then once you get some solid nights going, try and slowly branch out into different styles of EDM that might not be so "popular" on paper. Build a reputation and then build off of it.
| quote: | | im making a generalization based on my experience, while you spend your time and energy as a whistle blower pointing out over and over like a broken record that "not every town is like that! not every town is like that!" |
I spent my "time and energy" doing that because you did likewise when you tried coming off as though most towns were.
| quote: | | the whole point i was making is that the popularity of drum loopy underground music blew up way too big and has had a negative effect on many scenes. |
No it hasn't. |
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| Existo22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
No it hasn't. |
If I had to look at these people and the clubs today and the vibe... I would say ''This is bull'' and just get up and leave!
Derick May.
From the history of house music documentary seen here
This is exacly how I feel. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Existo22
This is exacly how I feel. |
And are you trying to do anything in your area to change that? |
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