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World Cup 2010 (pg. 18)
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| JPlay |
| quote: | Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
Perhaps the referee noted that a certain US player had been playing aggressively or with some malicious intent on an earlier recent play but let them play on for the games sake - but keeping it in the back of his head to look for something similar. |
this is what most fans fail to understand. there's a lot of going on the field that you can't see because you simply don't know. politics play a big part on the field, that's why experienced teams keep coming through and now you have all these upcoming teams, that to some are new but they've been quietly rising and learning the ropes. that's just the way it is.
soccer players are not only sportsmen, they are also negotiators. |
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| edubbz |
| quote: | Originally posted by JPlay
this is what most fans fail to understand. there's a lot of going on the field that you can't see because you simply don't know. politics play a big part on the field, that's why experienced teams keep coming through and now you have all these upcoming teams, that to some are new but they've been quietly rising and learning the ropes. that's just the way it is.
soccer players are not only sportsmen, they are also negotiators. |
this is nothing new tho; its always been like this and everyone knows the sport and the acting that goes along with it. and since its a global sport, everybody becomes involved- politicians, drug lords, citizens, even the cats & dogs all making it so controversial.
what do u mean who cares if stoppage time gets extended? might as well just have a 3rd half then. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by JPlay
this is what most fans fail to understand. there's a lot of going on the field that you can't see because you simply don't know. politics play a big part on the field, that's why experienced teams keep coming through and now you have all these upcoming teams, that to some are new but they've been quietly rising and learning the ropes. that's just the way it is.
soccer players are not only sportsmen, they are also negotiators. |
I don't know what you're smoking, but I'd like some. Please put me in contact with your dealer.
Soccer has always had questionable calls, but to state that the players have any role in the outcome (as far as negotiations go) is the most absurd thing I've heard this week. No ref gives a if you complain about a foul, whether given or taken. When the call's made, it's finished. When have you ever seen a ref overturned or overturn himself? The only lenient way I could even state "negotiation" is how well you sell a foul.
I learned this one early, as most of my yellows were for bitching at refs, not about the actual play itself. I averaged at least 2 a season. |
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| osterzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
You're seeing way too far into this... Almost everyone has his price, and based on his performance, there's a possibility this guy was bought, end of story.
You're giving us a sociological Dan Brown-esque study of a referee's involvement in some underground Mali gambling ring, take it down a notch haha.. |
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Just saying though that Mali is pretty messed up... |
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| osterzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
No. Soccer doesn't lend itself to instant replay - and the humanity of a referee is part of the humanity of the game. It's a multi-dimensional game - I'm not saying I agree with the referee's call earlier today to deny the goal (in fact, it was awful) but if you instate replay in soccer, even just for controversial goals or non-goals like that I think it'd be futile. You could watch a play like that and say "well that's a foul on the defending team, and there's another, and the ball wasn't played in an offside position, but look there- that's a potential foul on the attacking squad and as such the call was justified".
Perhaps the referee noted that a certain US player had been playing aggressively or with some malicious intent on an earlier recent play but let them play on for the games sake - but keeping it in the back of his head to look for something similar. And then maybe he saw something similar and didn't want to continue to let it slide. I think that's a very reasonable aspect of the sport - I was furious at Klose's early second yellow card in the Germany game, as the tackle didn't seem to merit it at all. But a few minutes prior Klose had scored a goal well after the whistle from an offside position and the commentator made note of the fact that Klose's brazenness in that instance likely played a role in the referees decision making process.
Anyway, it's just part of the game. It always has been. |
See I think eventually full instant replay will get instated as the technology continues to improve. The rumblings of doing it have been around for a couple years now and it will only intensify.
The fact is is that instant replay is more accurate than any ref. As long as you don't have instant replay, you're going to continue to have blown calls like the USA goal, Jim Joyce taking away that guy's perfect game, etc.
The purists of the game who don't want anything new are the same ones keeping the game from evolving. |
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| yankeeBaby |
Yey Holland!! :) :) :) :)
I will take the win, but we need to start playing more aggressively and finishing on goals. |
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| 09vdubgti |
| Go Orange!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| This Cameroon-Denmark game is definitely entertaining. |
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| JPlay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
I don't know what you're smoking, but I'd like some. Please put me in contact with your dealer.
Soccer has always had questionable calls, but to state that the players have any role in the outcome (as far as negotiations go) is the most absurd thing I've heard this week. No ref gives a if you complain about a foul, whether given or taken. When the call's made, it's finished. When have you ever seen a ref overturned or overturn himself? The only lenient way I could even state "negotiation" is how well you sell a foul.
I learned this one early, as most of my yellows were for bitching at refs, not about the actual play itself. I averaged at least 2 a season. |
haha, i guess i didn't explain myself clearly. i know you might find this crazy but sometimes there are calls that you as a player let go during the game in order to either get other more important calls or something else. for example, if you're a forward and the other team's defense has been fouling you smartly, pulling ur shirt when the refs not looking, maybe knocking on ur thighs with their knee during a play (it's not really a foul but it hurts like a bitch if its done correctly), you can complain to a ref and he will take an extra look in a particular player of the other team during the game, but this is a battle u started because now you as a forward are also under the spotlight and the ref will look at everything u do and call it! in other words, what i mean is that a soccer player has to pick its fights and be able to psychologically play the refs game or influence a refs decision, which is done in every game.
that's why i said experienced teams, and the key word here is 'experience' always have better chances, not only because they obviously have very good players, but they are also very smart when it comes to the nature of the game. they have practical intelligence.
oh and also, all of this takes place before the call is made. obviously, after a call is made you have no influence. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by JPlay
haha, i guess i didn't explain myself clearly. i know you might find this crazy but sometimes there are calls that you as a player let go during the game in order to either get other more important calls or something else. for example, if you're a forward and the other team's defense has been fouling you smartly, pulling ur shirt when the refs not looking, maybe knocking on ur thighs with their knee during a play (it's not really a foul but it hurts like a bitch if its done correctly), you can complain to a ref and he will take an extra look in a particular player of the other team during the game, but this is a battle u started because now you as a forward are also under the spotlight and the ref will look at everything u do and call it! in other words, what i mean is that a soccer player has to pick its fights and be able to psychologically play the refs game or influence a refs decision, which is done in every game.
that's why i said experienced teams, and the key word here is 'experience' always have better chances, not only because they obviously have very good players, but they are also very smart when it comes to the nature of the game. they have practical intelligence.
oh and also, all of this takes place before the call is made. obviously, after a call is made you have no influence. |
It's kind of funny, because consistently when you're called out in this thread, your reply just digs you deeper into the hole you created for yourself in the first place. |
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| osterzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
It's kind of funny, because consistently when you're called out in this thread, your reply just digs you deeper into the hole you created for yourself in the first place. |
At least he explains his views.
You? If you don't know how to respond, you pathetically stammer out responses that read like "well....well....YOU'RE AN IDIOT BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
For such the intelligent person you make yourself out to be, you don't know about carrying a debate or a conversation. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
At least he explains his views.
You? If you don't know how to respond, you pathetically stammer out responses that read like "well....well....YOU'RE AN IDIOT BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
For such the intelligent person you make yourself out to be, you don't know about carrying a debate or a conversation. |
Aw....poor little moron needs to have explanations all the time?
There are people that aren't worth actually debating. You epitomize. |
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