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| Member of X |
Then that theory should apply for Ohio St. and Notre Dame whom have 2 losses compared to Oregon's one. Blah blah blah about the bigger schools, (that doesn't matter in college basketball as much). Look at Washington getting a first seed last year. The bowls rely more on money and who will give the most. I understand that. Doesn't make me happy though.
If there was a playoff system, top 8 teams, then we could be talking about who would make the top 8 and I'd stick my Ducks in there.
1 USC vs. 8 Notre Dame (Notre Dame for the revenge win)
2 Texas vs. 7 Oregon (Texas)
3 Penn St vs. 6 Ohio St (Penn St)
4 LSU vs. 5 Virginia Tech (VT)
2 Texas vs. 3 Penn St (Texas)
8 Notre Dame vs. 5 Virginia Tech (VT)
2 Texas vs. 5 Virginia Tech
Texas wins
Any thoughts of your own of a possible playoff? :D |
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| CraveTheRave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Member of X
Any thoughts of your own of a possible playoff? :D |
I always liked the playoff idea, but I would do it differently. I'd only send the first 4 teams in and rotate them thru the BCS bowls like so.
Week 1:
Orange Bowl: #1 USC Vs #4 LSU
Sugar Bowl: #2 Texas Vs #3 Penn St.
Week 2:
Fiesta Bowl: Loser of Orange Bowl Vs Loser of Sugar Bowl
Rose Bowl: Winner of Orange Bowl Vs Winner of Sugar Bowl
And then the next year, Fiesta Bowl would host the championship game and Rose Bowl would take the consolation game. With the new 5th BCS game next year, that won't work, but I would like something like that. |
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| tribu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Member of X
Then that theory should apply for Ohio St. and Notre Dame whom have 2 losses compared to Oregon's one. Blah blah blah about the bigger schools, (that doesn't matter in college basketball as much). Look at Washington getting a first seed last year. The bowls rely more on money and who will give the most. I understand that. Doesn't make me happy though.
Any thoughts of your own of a possible playoff? :D |
I think two things really hurt Oregon's chances this year. One is, of course, the blow out loss to USC. Regardless of the fact that USC is #1, 45-17 never looks good, especially when you win the turnover battle. The second is that Oregon did not play UCLA this year. Had they played UCLA, the winner of that game would almost certainly be a BCS team, assuming their only loss was to USC (bye bye Bruins!). Aside from that, Oregon's relatively weak non conference schedule (Houston, Montana, Fresno St.) hurts them, especially with the Bulldogs falling again this weekend.
All that said, I would put Oregon in a BCS game before Notre Dame, but not Ohio State. Despite Notre Dame's better play against #1 USC, the Irish also lost to Michigan State, a team that is not even bowl eligible this year. While that was early in the year, it shows that the Irish may not always come to play. Yes, they did come back in that game in the last quarter, but they couldn't stop what really turned out to be a third-tier offense.
I choose Ohio State over Oregon for three reasons. Numebr one is the fact that I am a Buckeye alum. My real reasons are: Secondly, Ohio State's play aginst Penn State and Texas, their only losses. To lose to #2 and #3 by a combined ten points shows you have a pretty solid team. The Buckeyes played 7.5 (one team can still qualify) bowl eligible teams, winning 5 of those games. They have the #1 defense in the nation (#1 in rushing, #7 against the pass) and the 8th most efficient quarterback in the country. Finally, they finished the year very strong offensively, winning 6 straight, and beating 3 ranked teams including Michigan in Ann Arbor. I don't think OSU - Oregon is a good bowl matchup, but the Ducks do deserve to be there over Notre Dame.
Forget Auburn. They had a strong year, played LSU to the buzzer and beat Alabama, but losing to a relatively weak Georgia Tech team is too much to overcome.
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Heres my 8 team playoff picture. Rather than stick with the traditional bowl system, I tried to choose neutral stadiums with a decent capacity for first round matchups.
at Manhattan, Kansas(Kansas State University)
#8 Notre Dame 34 vs. #1 University of Southern California 42
at Boulder, Colorado (University of Colorado)
#7 Oregon 21 vs. #2 Texas 49
at Charlottesville, Virginia (The University of Virginia)
#6 Ohio State 17 vs. #3 Penn State 10
at Memphis, Tehnessee (The university of Memphis)
#5 Virginia Tech 20 vs. #4 Louisiana State University 31
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After these neutral location bowls, I propose the orange, sugar and rose bowls rotate the national championship game and semi-finals. i eliminated the Fiesta because I don't remember it being that big of a game before the BCS took over whereas these three were top-tier bowls. I awarded the game to the Rose Bowl this year to mirror real life.
Orange Bowl (Miami, Florida)
#6 Ohio State 42 vs. #2 Texas 40
Sugar Bowl (Atlanta, Georgia)
#4 Louisiana State University 21 vs #1 University of Southern California 38
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Rose Bowl (Los Angeles, California)
#6 Ohio State 28 vs. #1 University of Southern California 25 |
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| Eddie N MIAMI |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
All that said, I would put Oregon in a BCS game before Notre Dame, but not Ohio State. Despite Notre Dame's better play against #1 USC, the Irish also lost to Michigan State, a team that is not even bowl eligible this year. While that was early in the year, it shows that the Irish may not always come to play. Yes, they did come back in that game in the last quarter, but they couldn't stop what really turned out to be a third-tier offense.
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Heres my 8 team playoff picture. Rather than stick with the traditional bowl system, I tried to choose neutral stadiums with a decent capacity for first round matchups.
at Manhattan, Kansas(Kansas State University)
#8 Notre Dame 34 vs. #1 University of Southern California 42
at Boulder, Colorado (University of Colorado)
#7 Oregon 21 vs. #2 Texas 49
at Charlottesville, Virginia (The University of Virginia)
#6 Ohio State 17 vs. #3 Penn State 10
at Memphis, Tehnessee (The university of Memphis)
#5 Virginia Tech 20 vs. #4 Louisiana State University 31
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After these neutral location bowls, I propose the orange, sugar and rose bowls rotate the national championship game and semi-finals. i eliminated the Fiesta because I don't remember it being that big of a game before the BCS took over whereas these three were top-tier bowls. I awarded the game to the Rose Bowl this year to mirror real life.
Orange Bowl (Miami, Florida)
#6 Ohio State 42 vs. #2 Texas 40
Sugar Bowl (Atlanta, Georgia)
#4 Louisiana State University 21 vs #1 University of Southern California 38
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Rose Bowl (Los Angeles, California)
#6 Ohio State 28 vs. #1 University of Southern California 25 |
thank you for postin this
I find it annoying when people talk about some Bowl games that relly dont mean , I mean who the cares who goes to them other than the college and TV Presidents and the NCAA, with the BCSthe only thing that matters is the title game, which is usually crappy cause the comp always make bad desicions, this year cause of possitive circumstances of 2 teams undefeated, the BCS is like oh look we told you the 1-2 match up would come true, yeah like if they had anything to do with it USCand Texas being undefeated and no one else..... |
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| LeopoldStotch |
i see people have their scenario belts "if we had a playoff system" ... i think it would be best if we had a 16 team playoff (very long, but hey it's only 4 more games attached to the regular season) ...
to make it "fair" for those advertisers and media, the top 3 teams in the BCS standings (yes we will still keep it for the damn media ... :rolleyes: ) ... 7 "big conference" winners (excluding of course the conferences the top 3 are in) , and 6 at-large bids .. could leave out some good 6-5, 7-4, and 8-3 teams, but that's the closest to fairness to keep the media happy, and us happy.
oh yeah ... and iowa state blew their chances for a possible bowl bid by losing to kansas ,,, fn kansas .. colorado handed them the north division on a silver platter, and isu choked .. way to go ... :rolleyes: :D |
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| Eddie N MIAMI |
16 is a bit much , Id love it, but the NCAA would never expand it that much.
really to make everyone happy a simple 4 team playoff is enough |
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| LeopoldStotch |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI
16 is a bit much , Id love it, but the NCAA would never expand it that much.
really to make everyone happy a simple 4 team playoff is enough |
true. but you got all these useless bowl games in december, which i know doesn't excite the college football crowd .. we can hold those first and second round games during that time, preparing for the ultimate four in january... that would leave out the smaller schools from getting big public tv time, but hey ... we cant have everything, right ?
but 4 is good too . |
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| tribu |
I don't think 16 is too much. Chances are, with this system, you would have to scrap all non conference play and championship games....I say, No Big Loss.
I think that for most people's tournament scenarios, some or all non-conference play would have to drop, but I say thats a fair exchange for the excitement a playoff could bring.
Ultimately, the presidents wont change until they're sure they can make as much or more from a playoff. One of the big money makers for schools is the gate or price of admission. By using neutral sites roughly half between the two campuses, and setting a minimum attendence capacity for stadiums hosting post season play (say 62,001), schools could be assured decent attendence numbers. I would expect tv contracts to go through the roof as the rights to broadcast the games as well as advertisement went for sale. The factos are in place for both a profitable and interesting playoff experiment...when will the owners, er presidents crack? |
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| Member of X |
Post from my fav radio announcer Jim Rome:
11-28-2005
There’s nothing more hilarious to me than all this talk about whether or not Notre Dame deserves a BCS bid. Whether or not they deserve it is completely irrelevant. What does, do they deserve it or not have to do with anything? All right, just for argument’s sake, they don’t deserve it. Great, they’re getting it anyway.
As long as there’s no playoffs and the bowls get to pick who they want, merit means nothing. It’s a glorified beauty pageant at this point. Its’ not about who’s most deserving, it’s about who’s going to get the member schools paid the most scratch. It’s about jacked-up TV ratings, hotel rooms being full and bars pouring drinks. Nobody does a better job of meeting those criteria, the only criteria that matters, than the Domers.
Who’s the most deserving team? The Domers are probably the least deserving of all the at large candidates. They lost to Michigan St. at home, their best game of the year was a loss and they played USC to the buzzer. Please, they played Stanford to the buzzer Saturday and none of this matters.
Congratulations on your Fiesta Bowl bid, we’re anxiously awaiting the announcement. |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by Member of X
Post from my fav radio announcer Jim Rome:
11-28-2005
There’s nothing more hilarious to me than all this talk about whether or not Notre Dame deserves a BCS bid. Whether or not they deserve it is completely irrelevant. What does, do they deserve it or not have to do with anything? All right, just for argument’s sake, they don’t deserve it. Great, they’re getting it anyway.
As long as there’s no playoffs and the bowls get to pick who they want, merit means nothing. It’s a glorified beauty pageant at this point. Its’ not about who’s most deserving, it’s about who’s going to get the member schools paid the most scratch. It’s about jacked-up TV ratings, hotel rooms being full and bars pouring drinks. Nobody does a better job of meeting those criteria, the only criteria that matters, than the Domers.
Who’s the most deserving team? The Domers are probably the least deserving of all the at large candidates. They lost to Michigan St. at home, their best game of the year was a loss and they played USC to the buzzer. Please, they played Stanford to the buzzer Saturday and none of this matters.
Congratulations on your Fiesta Bowl bid, we’re anxiously awaiting the announcement. |
I don't usually like Rome, but he is right. Notre Dame will get destroyed in any BCS game they go to (with the exception being if they played the Big East champ, either S. Florida or W. Virginia) and it probably won't be much fun to watch after half time. I expect USC to get destroyed by Texas as well...but we'll have to wait and see. Hopefully the other two BCS games will be a little more entertaining.
An 8 game playoff is where it's at. It's a lot more easy for me to swallow a controversy at who's ranked 8-9 than at 1-2. |
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| CraveTheRave |
| I think actually the games will be close except for the Sugar Bowl. USC/Texas shall be a very interesting matchup, Ohio St./ND will be a classic and Penn St./V.Tech will be intriguing as well. I am really lookin forward to this entire bowl season. Too bad I don't have ESPN or ESPN2 and have to rely on Canadian TV to broadcast these games. |
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| Eddie N MIAMI |
| quote: | Originally posted by Member of X
Post from my fav radio announcer Jim Rome:
11-28-2005
There’s nothing more hilarious to me than all this talk about whether or not Notre Dame deserves a BCS bid. Whether or not they deserve it is completely irrelevant. What does, do they deserve it or not have to do with anything? All right, just for argument’s sake, they don’t deserve it. Great, they’re getting it anyway.
As long as there’s no playoffs and the bowls get to pick who they want, merit means nothing. It’s a glorified beauty pageant at this point. Its’ not about who’s most deserving, it’s about who’s going to get the member schools paid the most scratch. It’s about jacked-up TV ratings, hotel rooms being full and bars pouring drinks. Nobody does a better job of meeting those criteria, the only criteria that matters, than the Domers.
Who’s the most deserving team? The Domers are probably the least deserving of all the at large candidates. They lost to Michigan St. at home, their best game of the year was a loss and they played USC to the buzzer. Please, they played Stanford to the buzzer Saturday and none of this matters.
Congratulations on your Fiesta Bowl bid, we’re anxiously awaiting the announcement. |
wow Jim Rome actually made sense for once :eyes:
btw lol @ Frank Caliendos impersonation of Jim Rome :D |
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