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Obese have right to 2 airline seats: Canada court (pg. 17)
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| MarkT |
the issue comes down to not being able to legislate that people engage in healthy and/or safe behaviours, or even to amend their behaviour a little bit, even if they are 'predisposed' to some illness/condition or simply suffer from one.
we don't withhold healthcare from the guy with a family history of heart problems who decides to eat McDonalds and smoke a pack of cigarettes every day. when a guy walks into an ER with a broken leg, treatment is not dependent upon how he sustained the injury. Whether he was hit by a drunk, or was imitating Jackass and threw himself off a balcony, he receives the necessary medical attention to which he has a right.
I do agree that those who are disabled should be accommodated (i.e. it would be wrong to refuse airfare to an obese person or to refuse to provide the extra seat), but perhaps the question becomes 'why should the business have to absorb the loss/cost'?
If society has decided to make accommodation of disabilities a human right (and rightfully so), then perhaps society (i.e. taxpayers) should be footing the bill...not the airline who has to provide the additional seat, not the transit company that must have wheelchair accessibility, etc.?
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| KaiLee |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
the issue comes down to not being able to legislate that people engage in healthy and/or safe behaviours, or even to amend their behaviour a little bit, even if they are 'predisposed' to some illness/condition or simply suffer from one.
we don't withhold healthcare from the guy with a family history of heart problems who decides to eat McDonalds and smoke a pack of cigarettes every day. when a guy walks into an ER with a broken leg, treatment is not dependent upon how he sustained the injury. Whether he was hit by a drunk, or was imitating Jackass and threw himself off a balcony, he receives the necessary medical attention to which he has a right.
I do agree that those who are disabled should be accommodated (i.e. it would be wrong to refuse airfare to an obese person or to refuse to provide the extra seat), but perhaps the question becomes 'why should the business have to absorb the loss/cost'?
If society has decided to make accommodation of disabilities a human right (and rightfully so), then perhaps society (i.e. taxpayers) should be footing the bill...not the airline who has to provide the additional seat, not the transit company that must have wheelchair accessibility, etc.?
thoughts? |
You make some great points in this post. Businesses shouldn't have to absorb the costs. |
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| Ravist |
| See, it's not the people who have bad genes and put effort, it's not the people who have a serious mental condition and need therapy, it's the people who KNOW what they must do to be healthy and happy even with doctors telling them they are in grave danger. The individuals who know they can change for the better if a lot of serious physical work was put in but decides not to continue simply because it's too hard or just because they are in denial. These are the people I don't have respect for, especially when they're family wants the best for them and they continue not to help themselves. Not to be cruel but if they won't help themselves and won't allow anyone to guide them, then let them die of their fattyness and let the strong survive. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| I really can't think of any medical conditions that cause people to be morbidly obese. That's such a crock of . Even hypothyroidism doesn't cause people to be that fat. You fatties aren't fooling anyone. |
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| Vivid Boy |
shoving a in cheeseburger down your throat is not a disease its called being a fat with no self control. not running a lap after you eat something fatty is not a disease its called being a fat lazy .
its just like alcholics...ooo its a disease man..bull, just dont in drink or surround yourself with the and quit making excuses.
ppl like to make laziness or no self control sound like its a disease. no its like a in muscle more then it is like a disease. if you dont practice it it wont grow. stop being fat tards and you get ONE in seat........actually it take 2 cause i dontwant to sit beside your fat cheesewiz smellin ass anyways droppin dorito crumbs on my shoulder |
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| Vivid Boy |
so if being obese is a disease and some people are just gentically predisposed to be obese, then this phenomenon should hold true in other parts of the world......so why the arent there any in obese ppl in somalia??????? wtf happened there? oyou mean to tell me one of the poorest countries in the in world somehow developed a cure to obesity in a labratory? Everyone has to line up for a shot of the anti obese booster shot once a week? no its cause they dont in eat cottage cheese and pickle sandwhiches cause theres hardly any in food!
Maybe we cna learn a little somehthing from our lil somalian firends. maybe its not a disease maybe its our environment..WHOA! imagine that. maybe we should to some degree mask their environment (of course not to the extreme). Fighting obesity does not start at the fridge, it starts at the in supermarket. I bet you if ppl had self control at the supermarket they wouldnt need self control at the fridge.
I mean sometimes I hear my stomach rumbling and I says to myself, I says "self, I could go for some munchies right now, lets check what we have in cookie department." Open the coockie drawer..oh no cookies....."ok ill go for some chips" open the chip cabinet "ohhh i didnt buy chips in the last 6 years, Ill check whats in the fridge." open fridge " okay so its a pick between an apple and an orange....Ill go with the orange"
not hard to eat healthy when its your only choice.
STOP BUYING IN CHEESECAKES!
quit eating you fat ! diet right and excerise right and you don't have to look like oprah winfrey receiving an award and at the same time you don't have to be on channel 3 with some obese white woman, with ur stomach swollen. |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
I really can't think of any medical conditions that cause people to be morbidly obese. That's such a crock of . Even hypothyroidism doesn't cause people to be that fat. You fatties aren't fooling anyone. |
absolutely not the case, jenny. I work out 4 days a week and eat damn near perfectly (consulted by a nutritionist, workouts from a former trainer)....and I havent been able to lose a single pound in YEARS.
Unfortunately with my "situation" (genes, hypothyroidism, etc...)if I CHOSE to be lazy I would be a huge freakin heffer, but instead I choose to be a healthy fat chick instead. ;)
Please dont oversimplify or underestimate someone's struggles with weight unless you have been there. It is a life-long struggle and mentally draining to know that, even with my sincere daily efforts, I will NEVER be at the weight I wish I could be. |
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| Vivid Boy |
but your not obese. we're talking about obese people. we're talkin straight juicy heffers who let themselves go and drink the diet coke after their 8 big mac combos because they're on a diet.
I have an aunt who's a heffer...man shes a pig, "im on a diet this year so im only going to a small slice of the cake" *cuts small slice, eats rest of the cake leaving small piece there*
and then she has the nerve to say "I cant help being fat I was born this way, its in my genes"
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makes me want to punch her in the stomach but im afraid she'd burp and a live chicken would come up |
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| Vivid Boy |
I think why everyone is upset over this is not because obese people get 2 seats, im actually quite happy I wont ever have to sit beside some huge dude cramping me up for 9 hours on a trip. I think whats pissing people off is that the only reason they want 2 seats is for the extra dinner
drum roll crash
Im here all night folks, Try the veal! |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
but your not obese. we're talking about obese people. we're talkin straight juicy heffers who let themselves go and drink the diet coke after their 8 big mac combos because they're on a diet.
I have an aunt who's a heffer...man shes a pig, "im on a diet this year so im only going to a small slice of the cake" *cuts small slice, eats rest of the cake leaving small piece there*
and then she has the nerve to say "I cant help being fat I was born this way, its in my genes"
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makes me want to punch her in the stomach but im afraid she'd burp and a live chicken would come up |
no I know, and I wasnt really focusing on the morbidly obese in my comment. I know jenny was, so maybe I should rephrase myself.
It angers me when people have no sympathy for something that people DO stuggle with. I do think that ALL people, skinny and fat, should have a healthy way of living. And some people just dont do that, regardless of weight or doctors concerns. THOSE people I have very little sympathy for.
But I DO understand big people's struggles and how hard it is just to stay at your CURRENT weight, let alone a desirable weight. Some people are big AND healthy and I dont think its fair to judge those people. They are labeled and discriminated against without anyone finding out if they are in fact, doing anything about it. :rolleyes:
Thats the that really pisses me off. I HATE when people assume that I am lazy and eat 5 pieces of cake/a whole pizza pie a day..... when in fact I work VERY hard at maintaining my weight (losing weight is hardly an option anymore). And I am NOT the only one with this issue.
that is all ;) |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
absolutely not the case, jenny. I work out 4 days a week and eat damn near perfectly (consulted by a nutritionist, workouts from a former trainer)....and I havent been able to lose a single pound in YEARS.
Unfortunately with my "situation" (genes, hypothyroidism, etc...)if I CHOSE to be lazy I would be a huge freakin heffer, but instead I choose to be a healthy fat chick instead. ;)
Please dont oversimplify or underestimate someone's struggles with weight unless you have been there. It is a life-long struggle and mentally draining to know that, even with my sincere daily efforts, I will NEVER be at the weight I wish I could be. |
You're not morbidly obese. Neither is my mother, who also has hypothyroidism. And neither is one of my best friends, who also has it. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Totally agreed, except there's really no way to determine who is "legitmately large" (for lack of a better phrase) and who is not, unless you are a medical doctor.
Ergo, everyone who is overweight gets the accomodation. And so it should be - as the article so astutely asks, "should we ensure that the quadriplegic boarding the plane with his attendant did not break his neck while driving impaired?" The general disdain for overweight people in society is so bad that people can't bring themselves to actually think about it objectively and draw the parallels between this allowance and those made for people with other disabilities. |
Right, and I haven't been saying that they should/shouldn't get their extra seat based on their lifestyle. I agree with the idea that a customer pays, then the business accomodates their customer. In a restaurant if you bring a party of 30, but we only have tables for 4, you combine tables to seat 30 people together. In the same sense, while I understand plane fares are per-seat, I don't believe that we should be paying for the seat. I believe that we are paying for the service that the airline provides, and that is transportation. Pay for a ticket, airline provides transport.
But PLEASE!!! Don't tell me you need an extra seat because your genetics made you obese. I'm getting tired of everybody blaming outside factors for things they have the power to change themselves, while calling those who scoff at their scapegoats "ignorant", "inconsiderate", and all those other dirty labels that people will tag to someone who tells them to stop crying and change their lifestyle.
I hate this idea that it's all a fat person's gene's fault that they're morbidly obese, and that I'm somehow ignorant or inconsiderate when I say "Stop whining, put down that burrito, and hit the treadmill". In reality, they have the power to cut down to, and maintain a healthy (healthier?) weight, and fit into ONE seat (le gasp). Will they ever be as skinny as me? Hell no, but they CAN, realistically, cut down to a healthy weight, albeit while still being larger than the average person. And posts like Yankee's only help to strengthen my belief that I'm not just talking out of my ass when I tell people to stop whining and take responsibility for their own circumstances.
At the same time, I get a sense from her posts that from time to time she gets frustrated because of unrealistic expectations or desires (to be "skinny" instead of healthy? I don't want to be presumptuous Yankee so slap me silly if I'm reading too deep into your postings). So I can understand how it can be disheartening, even after losing a lot of weight, to continue to put in that effort to remain at a healthy level. To that, all I can say is that people need to understand what's realistic, and what's a pipe dream, and set their goals accordingly. I strongly feel that "fitting in one plane seat" is a realistic goal for ANYBODY. |
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