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Obese have right to 2 airline seats: Canada court (pg. 9)
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
I fit into an airplane seat easily, with room to spare, but I should have to pay more than the 120lb bitch that is sitting next to me just because I am bigger? hell no. People see larger people and automatically assume that they are fat, lazy heffers, but they dont bother to ask what they are doing about it. So, back to my original post I say this: |
out of curiosity....why is the 120 pounder a bitch...? and would that comment be as benign if someone was to say the "fat ass bitch"..? |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
so basically those who were of the opinion that obesity is pre-disposed through genetics or some other form of disability won their case.
And thus those who are obese as a result of lifestyle choices or diet and NOT through pre-disposition enjoy some of the windfall.
whoohoo time to get fat!
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same logic could be applied to almost anything else, disabled people get perks (parking, fiscal deduction, rebates, etc.), some were born like that, others got in an accident because they were stupid on the road or elswhere... they get the benefits too, does this mean we have to remove the benefits to all disabled people?:rolleyes: |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
same logic could be applied to almost anything else, disabled people get perks (parking, fiscal deduction, rebates, etc.), some were born like that, others got in an accident because they were stupid on the road or elswhere... they get the benefits too, does this mean we have to remove the benefits to all disabled people?:rolleyes: |
it's not like those disabled people choose to be disabled in most cases.
fat people, a little different story |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
The one person is 350 pounds and he cannot fit comfortably in an airplane seat....would he need two seats probably not....but even a slightly larger seat would make a huge difference.
The other person is probably closer to 300 pounds. |
So then a larger seat would be a good thing for his comfort, but he doesn't require a second seat as it is, ok. Now THAT, I can understand and sympathize with, I'm a skinny-ass and even *I* feel constrained on planes sometimes (although not having to squish into my seat is a perk I get to enjoy). But if he can fit into one seat, then there's no problem, one fare, one seat. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
so if we push that logic to its end, healthy people could opt out of our public health system and pay less income tax, leaving the burden on the elderly, disabled and unhealthy citizens.
Parents wouldn't have any income tax deduction for their kids, they chose to have those kids, let them assume the consequences.
Or the best, if everyone was truly equal, everyone should pay the exact same amount in income tax, rich or poor.
right :rolleyes: |
Or the best, health-care should cover emergencies like accidents and sudden illnesses. But conditions derived from poor lifestyle choices should only have a % covered so that those who don't make those poor choices aren't getting reamed in the ass for someone else's decision. A smoker and you get lung cancer? Well I hope you saved some money over the years, because you have to pay a portion of your costs. An obese person with high blood-pressure and cholesterol, or adult-onset diabetes? Hope you looked ahead to the future when you decided to pack in the McDicks so you can pay a portion of your own health-care costs.
Those who choose to live unhealthy lifestyles shouldn't be able to get a free ride. You remember Homer on the Simpsons while he walked out in front of a car? "Whatever, health-care is free here!" That's the exact same attitude that thousands of people in our country have while they puff puff on their cigarettes, swallow their double-bigmac and extra-large fries, and gulp down their 24oz Coca Cola. And it's pathetic.
Having kids isn't a poor lifestyle choice. Kids aren't generally a huge burden on the health-care system, and kids should be covered until they're 18. They didn't have a choice in being brought into this world, people who smoke had a choice, people who sit on their ass eating cheetos and watching CSI had a choice, people who are twitchin around ODing on some crazy drug they never should have put into their body had a choice. Kids don't have a choice in their existence. Now, if the parents are feeding them daily McDicks and smoking in the house, and their kid gets a condition as a result, then those idiot parents should have to pay a percentage of the cost. I could agree with that.
I'm tired of the idea that equality = a free ride for everyone. It leads to a lazy, irresponsible society, and that's not a good thing. Equality should mean nothing more than we all have a fair chance to succeed. Spare me your accusations of racism when you can't speak english and some company that requires you to communicate doesn't hire you. Spare me the accusations of sexism when you can't lift the average weight of a grown man and they won't let you become a firefighter. And spare me the accusations of ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN THINK OF when you're a lazy slob on the job and you get canned for it. people, learn how to take responsibility for your own life. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
it's not like those disabled people choose to be disabled in most cases.
fat people, a little different story |
I bet you that there's more disabled people because of poor lifestyle choices than born-disabled.
What about born disabled from parents who were doing drugs, alcoholics or chain smoker... does that fall under the poor lifestyle too? Yes the kid isn't to blame, but his parents should be footing the bill... no?
This reasoning can go very far, but this society chose that all society members need to be covered, poor lifestyle or not. |
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| pat_stelly |
| this is bullt i think that people who actually need it like people with crutches or tall people(me!) should get an extra seat or emergency not some fat bitch |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
I bet you that there's more disabled people because of poor lifestyle choices than born-disabled.
What about born disabled from parents who were doing drugs, alcoholics or chain smoker... does that fall under the poor lifestyle too? Yes the kid isn't to blame, but his parents should be footing the bill... no? |
We're talking about personal responsibilities, not collective.
I dont blame the kid for being disabled when it is clearly not his fault
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This reasoning can go very far, but this society chose that all society members need to be covered, poor lifestyle or not. |
which i clearly disagree with. it encourages people to shirk personal responsibilities and accepting consequences of their choices. breeds laziness and just be a burden to the society |
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| malek |
but thats the point, its either one way or the other. You can't deny a select group of people, and grant perks for others for fundementally the same reasons. The uncoolness factor of fat people doesn't stick in courts.
This society chose its side and has to stick with it.
Another good example is the charter of freedoms and rights, it has been perveresed beyond recognition by all kind of intrest groups in exactly the same fashion.
Which brings us to the conclusion that treating everyone equal might have its annoyance because it's stretched by small groups here and there, overall it remains a good policy because it brings more good than bad to the people. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
Which brings us to the conclusion that treating everyone equal might have its annoyance because it's stretched by small groups here and there, overall it remains a good policy because it brings more good than bad to the people. |
Yeah but the issue here is that the people who take advantage are pretty much being rewarded for it, when instead they should be punished. ing fat s.
The REAL solution to this problem would be, like I said, to throw some Jenny Craig their way. Or offer them gym passes or something. A gym pass is about the same price as a flight, is it not? My idea is brilliant. |
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| chimera66 |
| i'm with jenny, teach them how not to be fat asses. these people who need two seats are not just fat but severely obese. instead of giving them two seats how about teach them how to be healthy so they don't die of diabetes or any other health related issues that go along with obesity. ugh being that fat is not excusable in my book. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
but thats the point, its either one way or the other. You can't deny a select group of people, and grant perks for others for fundementally the same reasons. The uncoolness factor of fat people doesn't stick in courts.
This society chose its side and has to stick with it. |
I disagree that fat people and disabled people belong in the same boat.
Self inflicted injury or condition does not merit same treatment. Not the end result, but the means which which the result occurs, merits consideration, IMO.
Or else in the name of 'equality', we'd be promoting all sorts of shenanigans.
We preach this equality whatever, but the thing is, there is never true equality.| quote: |
Another good example is the charter of freedoms and rights, it has been perveresed beyond recognition by all kind of intrest groups in exactly the same fashion.
Which brings us to the conclusion that treating everyone equal might have its annoyance because it's stretched by small groups here and there, overall it remains a good policy because it brings more good than bad to the people. |
And what measures should the society undertake so that corruption and poisonous elements do not ruin the society as whole?
People always want rights, but never the responsibilities |
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