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Obese have right to 2 airline seats: Canada court (pg. 19)
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
obviously this case isn't really about money...but rather whether or not the business has to provide 'equal accommodation' for the same price, regardless of underlying cost. |
I would argue that it is up to the airline's how they want to package their offering. But regardless, if you accept that logic, then I don't see how you'd be able to avoid taking it one step further and saying that the airlines shouldn't be allowed to segment at all.
They are already charging a different fare to everybody on the plane, based on the date of the departure, date of return, round-trip or one-way, demand at the time of booking, etc. If "equal accommodation" is really a requirement, it would also apply to all of those other factors. And once again, if you consider two seats to be "equal accommodation" then in order to be truly equal, they would be obligated to give two seats to everyone who requests them. Watch those fares double within a few weeks... |
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| Vivid Boy |
| kid's with learning disabilites still get Phds |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Businesses also have the right to refuse to do business with a customer, or impose certain conditions (including a variation in price) before doing business.
The responsibility of accommodation is by contract alone. The advertising and sale price is an offer to a customer to enter into a contract. The actual contract may specify any number of additional conditions, provided the conditions are legal.
If a customer meets/accepts all conditions set out in the contract and pays the fee, only then is it binding and only then is the business required to either accommodate the customer or provide a full refund. If the customer wishes to alter or cancel that contract after paying, that is solely up to the seller's discretion.
Accommodation is expected after the sale is final; before that, everything is negotiable.
If you've paid the fare, but before paying you agreed to a contract that effectively says: "This is how big our seats are, and by accepting this fare you warrant that you will be able to fit in one on the date and time specified", then the airline doesn't owe you , legally or morally, if you can't meet your end of the agreement.
But I suppose failing to read the fine print is also a "disability". |
I agree with all of these things, but I don't believe that morbidly obese people go on flights enough that the cost would be prohibitive to the airline, especially considering that a large number of flights don't even sell to capacity.
There could be a pricing that would limit the damage to the airline's bottom line, but doesn't force an obese person to pay DOUBLE the fare when they are still ONE person. Like a 50 dollar extra fee or something for the second seat. *shrug*
I'm not sure the best way to go about it. I just know how it would work in MY perfect world. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
I agree with all of these things, but I don't believe that morbidly obese people go on flights enough that the cost would be prohibitive to the airline, especially considering that a large number of flights don't even sell to capacity.
There could be a pricing that would limit the damage to the airline's bottom line, but doesn't force an obese person to pay DOUBLE the fare when they are still ONE person. Like a 50 dollar extra fee or something for the second seat. *shrug*
I'm not sure the best way to go about it. I just know how it would work in MY perfect world. |
fine if your one person you only get one dinner then |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
You're right, I'm not sympathetic to people who make excuses for things. And I'm even less sympathetic to obese people, especially because I work in health care. I thought I made it pretty clear that I'm unapologetic about it.
And again, you think you're the only person who worries about that stuff every time you look in the mirror/step on the scale/whatever? That doesn't really play into my sense of pity. Sorry. |
um, no thats why I posted that I understand EVERYONE has struggles. Thats the difference between you and I. I dont make excuses, but its a FACT that I have weight issues because of predisposed factors. This is why I DO work out and maintain a healthy lifestyle, because if I dont, I would be in serious trouble both health wise and looks-wise. And yet I still receive judgement? You are clearly reading only what you want to read because I was never making excuses NOR did I omit the fact that others have their own issues. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
At the same time, I get a sense from her posts that from time to time she gets frustrated because of unrealistic expectations or desires (to be "skinny" instead of healthy? I don't want to be presumptuous Yankee so slap me silly if I'm reading too deep into your postings). So I can understand how it can be disheartening, even after losing a lot of weight, to continue to put in that effort to remain at a healthy level. To that, all I can say is that people need to understand what's realistic, and what's a pipe dream, and set their goals accordingly. I strongly feel that "fitting in one plane seat" is a realistic goal for ANYBODY. |
nah, I dont NEED to be "skinny" per se. I actually prefer to be volumptuous......but I would love to reap the rewards of hard work, though, and LOOK a healthy weight. Its extremely frustrating to work constantly with little reward. I have no desire to be 100 lbs, thats just not my body type. (plus I love my .....who would wanna lose that??) ha! Edit: if you see my picture in my avatar, if you need a sense of what I look like in terms of this discussion. I am NOT obese but am certainly not small either.
lol I think people ARE looking a little too deeply into my posts (or, not deeply enough as some comments have shown). All I have tried to say in this ENTIRE thread to is not make assumptions of larger people. While there is no denying that there are huge, lazy heffers out there, not everyone is fat **AND** lazy!! |
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| chimera66 |
| there should be a universal definition of fat obese and morbidly obese because i detect some are misconstruing what others mean when they use these words...also ladies lets hug it out |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
fine if your one person you only get one dinner then |
There are airlines that still give out dinners? Any flight I'm on we've been lucky if they're selling 9 dollar sandwiches.
When I was 12 I ate 4 chicken dinners on an American Airlines flight, and they were all free. I don't know how much they would charge for a second dinner these days, if at all. I know it wasn't a big deal that day to keep giving me more and more food, but then again, I was a 12 year-old kid, so they may have just been being nice to a kid. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by chimera66
there should be a universal definition of fat obese and morbidly obese because i detect some are misconstruing what others mean when they use these words...also ladies lets hug it out |
no chimera you are black. you have bigger things to worry about then just weight. you got to worry about the white man holding you down. |
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| chimera66 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
no chimera you are black. you have bigger things to worry about then just weight. you got to worry about the white man holding you down. |
i'm black :eek: |
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| Vivid Boy |
| And this is why I love chimera.m she gets it. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by chimera66
there should be a universal definition of fat obese and morbidly obese because i detect some are misconstruing what others mean when they use these words...also ladies lets hug it out |
reality is that people still assume that larger people are lazy and eat McDonalds everyday....even if they are not mobirdly obese.
People don't understand how demoralizing and frustrating it is when you eat healthier and workout more then your skinnier friends and you just can't loose any weight. Some people can accept that and will continue with a healthy lifestyle....others give up and stop caring. |
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