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Obese have right to 2 airline seats: Canada court (pg. 24)
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| The Ear |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
I went shopping at the dirt mall last night (for comics) and I couldn't help but notice that 80% of the people in there were overweight...kids especially! Then I thought about how rare it was when I was a kid to see that many overweight people - anywhere. When I was in elementary school, there was one, maybe TWO fat kids...and every knew not to make fun because everyone knew that it wasn't normal to be so overweight. I still remember their names. :o |
Brodie? |
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| TO guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Ear
Brodie? |
My cousin Walter's a weird guy. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| True story. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
I'm sure there are people that are obese due to medical reasons
obese people always have a choice...it is scientifically impossible to stay fat if you are eating healthy and exercising... |
Ya, make up your mind. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by failsafe
Incorrect. You will burn more calories in a given time at a higher intensity. Because you're burning more calories, you'll lose more weight. When you're working out around 60% intensity, it does target fat. However if you spent the same hour in the gym doing 80-85% intensity, you'd be burning a far greater number of calories
And yes, it is "just" calories in/out. |
You misunderstand.
Obviously higher intensity is more productive than lower if working out for the same amt of time in either case. But that's not what your post implied. You said intensity was more important than duration when targeting fat, which is not true - a longer duration at a lower intensity is more useful. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Ya, make up your mind. |
They're not saying it clearly enough, or you're purposely ignoring the point of their argument. Their point is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to be morbidly obese if you are eating correctly and exercising. And in fact, it could be said that it's impossible to be 'fat'. A person with those genetic 'problems' can lose the excess weight and fat, but they'll still be large (not fat) because they'll have a lot of muscle-mass. And yes, I said they'll still be large, but someone who eats and exercises properly will NEVER need a second airplane seat. People just have to put in the work their body requires to remain healthy. The same way I have to put in proper work to build up a healthy level of muscle. My doctor is CONSTANTLY on my ass about putting on about 10-15 pounds in muscle-weight, and I never choose to do it.
People who require a measly TWO airplane seats are NOT disabled, so it's not a question about equal access for a disability, it's a question of how fare's are priced, and how to fairly accommodate those who may require the second seat, since they ARE still a single person.
People who are genuinely disabled by their 'genetic obesity' are unable to walk and generally require a forklift to carry their bed around if they want to go outside. Genuinely disabled obese people will NEVER be able to ride in an airplane, regardless of the price of their ticket, because they wouldn't be able to fit through the door, nor would they fit in THREE seats if they had that option. You're right, who cares if it took 20 years of slothful living to get to the point where they are genuinely disabled, at that point, I can agree with you, once you can't walk, you can't work off that weight, thus: Disabled. But once you can't walk, you can't fit on the ing plane to begin with, you can barely fit through the doors to make it into the AIRPORT. Genetics are not a legitimate reason for becoming a 600 pound blob of human, genetics ALONE are not enough for such a result to occur.
Yes, genetics CAN make a person more prone to put on, and hold weight. But it's only a contributing factor. And that contributing factor can be overridden by proper exercise and diet. Someone with those types of genetics may never be as skinny as you or me, but they CAN maintain a healthy body-weight (which would never require a second airplane seat, for the record). You can CHOOSE to be a healthy weight.
A person like Yankee is a testament to that belief. If she was a lazy slob, she MIGHT be morbidly obese, yet she's exercised her ability to CHOOSE not to be, and instead is solid and healthy, albeit with a larger body-type than most. I'll bet that mid-section is firm and she's got some nice hips to go with that body too ;) (as far as I can tell from her avatar) |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
I'll bet that mid-section is firm and she's got some nice hips to go with that body too ;) |
Oh SHE DOES!
Yanks is ONE HOT COOKIE!
(and i dont even like big-breated women, but i gots a spot for yanks saved in my heart!!) She's a fine (lookin') lady! <3 |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Ya, make up your mind. |
Medical reasons can contribute to obesity..yes....but this does not mean that people who have these medical issues can't or are unable to lose weight...as i said, that is scientifically impossible..
for example people with hypothyroidism can take steps to avoid becoming obese..by eating healthy, using portion control and exercising.....yes, they have a medical condition that contributes to them gaining weight..BUT this does not mean that they can't lose weight or maintain a healthy weight..it would probably take some effort on their part..but it is doable... |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
They're not saying it clearly enough, or you're purposely ignoring the point of their argument. Their point is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to be morbidly obese if you are eating correctly and exercising. And in fact, it could be said that it's impossible to be 'fat'. A person with those genetic 'problems' can lose the excess weight and fat, but they'll still be large (not fat) because they'll have a lot of muscle-mass. And yes, I said they'll still be large, but someone who eats and exercises properly will NEVER need a second airplane seat. People just have to put in the work their body requires to remain healthy. The same way I have to put in proper work to build up a healthy level of muscle. My doctor is CONSTANTLY on my ass about putting on about 10-15 pounds in muscle-weight, and I never choose to do it.
People who require a measly TWO airplane seats are NOT disabled, so it's not a question about equal access for a disability, it's a question of how fare's are priced, and how to fairly accommodate those who may require the second seat, since they ARE still a single person.
People who are genuinely disabled by their 'genetic obesity' are unable to walk and generally require a forklift to carry their bed around if they want to go outside. Genuinely disabled obese people will NEVER be able to ride in an airplane, regardless of the price of their ticket, because they wouldn't be able to fit through the door, nor would they fit in THREE seats if they had that option. You're right, who cares if it took 20 years of slothful living to get to the point where they are genuinely disabled, at that point, I can agree with you, once you can't walk, you can't work off that weight, thus: Disabled. But once you can't walk, you can't fit on the ing plane to begin with, you can barely fit through the doors to make it into the AIRPORT. Genetics are not a legitimate reason for becoming a 600 pound blob of human, genetics ALONE are not enough for such a result to occur.
Yes, genetics CAN make a person more prone to put on, and hold weight. But it's only a contributing factor. And that contributing factor can be overridden by proper exercise and diet. Someone with those types of genetics may never be as skinny as you or me, but they CAN maintain a healthy body-weight (which would never require a second airplane seat, for the record). You can CHOOSE to be a healthy weight.
A person like Yankee is a testament to that belief. If she was a lazy slob, she MIGHT be morbidly obese, yet she's exercised her ability to CHOOSE not to be, and instead is solid and healthy, albeit with a larger body-type than most. I'll bet that mid-section is firm and she's got some nice hips to go with that body too ;) (as far as I can tell from her avatar) |
i should have read your post before I replied..lol.. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
From the Ontarians with Disabilities Act, section 2.1 (definitions):
“disability” means,
(a) any degree of physical disability, infirmity, malformation or disfigurement that is caused by bodily injury, birth defect or illness and, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, includes diabetes mellitus, epilepsy, a brain injury, any degree of paralysis, amputation, lack of physical co-ordination, blindness or visual impediment, deafness or hearing impediment, muteness or speech impediment, or physical reliance on a guide dog or other animal or on a wheelchair or other remedial appliance or device,
(b) a condition of mental impairment or a developmental disability,
(c) a learning disability, or a dysfunction in one or more of the processes involved in understanding or using symbols or spoken language,
(d) a mental disorder, or
(e) an injury or disability for which benefits were claimed or received under the insurance plan established under the Workplace Safety and Insurance Act, 1997; (“handicap”)
Let's see here. Obviously (b) - (e) don't apply - obesity is obviously not mental impairment, a learning disability, a mental disorder, or covered under the WSIA. So it would have to fall under (a).
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I would have to disagree that b-d don't apply since overeating is officially in the DSM-IV as a mental disorder.
Also severally developmentally delayed people could basically not know the rules of calories in vs calories out rule.
P.S. I had no idea Digi had such a hate on for fat people. I mean I hang out with you, you must be so embarassed standing beside me! |
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| failsafe |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
I would have to disagree that b-d don't apply since overeating is officially in the DSM-IV as a mental disorder.
Also severally developmentally delayed people could basically not know the rules of calories in vs calories out rule.
P.S. I had no idea Digi had such a hate on for fat people. I mean I hang out with you, you must be so embarassed standing beside me! |
We're quite obviously not referring to the mentally handicapped when we're talking about the typical obese here. |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
They're not saying it clearly enough, or you're purposely ignoring the point of their argument. Their point is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to be morbidly obese if you are eating correctly and exercising. And in fact, it could be said that it's impossible to be 'fat'. A person with those genetic 'problems' can lose the excess weight and fat, but they'll still be large (not fat) because they'll have a lot of muscle-mass. And yes, I said they'll still be large, but someone who eats and exercises properly will NEVER need a second airplane seat. People just have to put in the work their body requires to remain healthy. The same way I have to put in proper work to build up a healthy level of muscle. My doctor is CONSTANTLY on my ass about putting on about 10-15 pounds in muscle-weight, and I never choose to do it.
People who require a measly TWO airplane seats are NOT disabled, so it's not a question about equal access for a disability, it's a question of how fare's are priced, and how to fairly accommodate those who may require the second seat, since they ARE still a single person.
People who are genuinely disabled by their 'genetic obesity' are unable to walk and generally require a forklift to carry their bed around if they want to go outside. Genuinely disabled obese people will NEVER be able to ride in an airplane, regardless of the price of their ticket, because they wouldn't be able to fit through the door, nor would they fit in THREE seats if they had that option. You're right, who cares if it took 20 years of slothful living to get to the point where they are genuinely disabled, at that point, I can agree with you, once you can't walk, you can't work off that weight, thus: Disabled. But once you can't walk, you can't fit on the ing plane to begin with, you can barely fit through the doors to make it into the AIRPORT. Genetics are not a legitimate reason for becoming a 600 pound blob of human, genetics ALONE are not enough for such a result to occur.
Yes, genetics CAN make a person more prone to put on, and hold weight. But it's only a contributing factor. And that contributing factor can be overridden by proper exercise and diet. Someone with those types of genetics may never be as skinny as you or me, but they CAN maintain a healthy body-weight (which would never require a second airplane seat, for the record). You can CHOOSE to be a healthy weight.
A person like Yankee is a testament to that belief. If she was a lazy slob, she MIGHT be morbidly obese, yet she's exercised her ability to CHOOSE not to be, and instead is solid and healthy, albeit with a larger body-type than most. I'll bet that mid-section is firm and she's got some nice hips to go with that body too ;) (as far as I can tell from her avatar) |
thank you for summing up what I have been TRYING to say and just not getting it out as smoothly as you. lol ;)
<3<3<3 jamie and AJ :) Love you boyzzzz :) :) :) |
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