Originally posted by Atmos
Elaborate please, because it seems you don't know the difference between the US invasion of Iraq and the Russian invasion of Georgia.
What exactly is the difference? Or the NATO/Kosovo issue is even better. What makes it any different?
LazFX
perhaps there is something more..
even though I chuckled that the "Blacks have to be American.."
Xavier Moriarty
look at him laughing.
and this joke wants to go to war against russia???
LOL
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What exactly is the difference? Or the NATO/Kosovo issue is even better. What makes it any different?
i dont wanna get into it but mark my words, whah happened with kosovo will bite everybody in the ass in the next 5 years, maximum.
LatinLover
Krypton,
It seems to be that your not an intelligent person. The US went into Iraq with the consent of the American people and the consent of the international community. 2: The US NEVER intentionally targeted civilians or destroyed intentionally infrastructure. 3: The US engaged in diplomacy by giving Hussein a deadline to leave office or face the consequences. I can go on all day with this.
What Russia has done is go out like pure thugs and invading a nation. Russia has no justification what so ever in purposely damaging the infrastructure of a nation. Civilians shouldnt be in the middle of this nonsense war that is going on. If you seem to justify purposely targeting of innocent lives by Russia and not adhere to sign an agreement to cease fire ( by which Georgia has agreed too and urged Russ to do the same) I just got to question your morale
Xavier Moriarty
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Originally posted by LatinLover
Krypton,
It seems to be that your not an intelligent person. The US went into Iraq with the consent of the American people and the consent of the international community. 2: The US NEVER intentionally targeted civilians or destroyed intentionally infrastructure. 3: The US engaged in diplomacy by giving Hussein a deadline to leave office or face the consequences. I can go on all day with this.
now wait just a minute. didnt america went to iraq because of weapons of mass destruction???
its so ing AWESOME how everybody forgot about that in less than 5 years.
Atmos
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Originally posted by Krypton
Latinlover: Vladimir Putin is a thug! He should be tried for crimes against humanity! Killing innocent people has no justification what so ever towards his ego! Waging a full scale war just to send a message is unnaceptable!
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Let's frame it differently...
"George Bush is a thug! He should be tried for crimes against humanity! Killing innocent people has no justification what so ever towards his ego! Waging a full scale war just to send a message is unacceptable!
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So Russia going into George is wrong, but the United States going into Iraq is right. Atmos, more than anything, you tell me why Latinlover IS NOT a hypocrite. Because it seems like you're just another radical nationalist just like Latinlover. The US can only do right, while any other country which does the same thing we do, is wrong...please...:rolleyes:
Iraq is by far, an exponentially worse disaster than the current situation in Georgia. One hundred thousand dead, and 4 million refugees. The Bush administration has no moral basis to tell Russia not to "violate international law" by invading Georgia. So please, spare me the right wing bull rhetoric about how noble America's cause in Iraq is...:rolleyes:
Ok, I hate to break it to you but war requires sacrifice, it requires death, time, money, honor, discipline, and so much more than just words.
None of the freedoms you see yourself with today that you take for granted would even exist if it woouldnt be for the sacrifices made by millions in the past. Get that idealistic peaceful world society out of your mind cause it wont get you anywhere.
On 9/11, terrorist attacks in the US changed us completely. If you're some conspirator than it will be very hard to get my message across. But, here we go. Behind these attacks was Osama and al-Qaeda.
Ok so we go into afghanistan, everyones ok with that, but we have a military dictator in Iraq who is developing nuclear energy and who "supposedly" has WMD's.. The intelligence has been wrong many times before in the past. Anyway, this dictator is opressing his nation on extreme levels...thats already enough reason for me,understanding the hardships of opression. Also, we have him funding al-Qaeda which leads intelligence to believe that if he does have such WMD's, than those can be handed over to the oh so rich Osama bin Laden.
We invaded for National Security purposes and for morality.
Everyone supported the war in the beginning, loving the idea of America liberating an opressed nation, but slowly began becoming worried about the length and commitment that had to be made.
Can't you see past the sacrifice that has to be made and look onto a future with possibilities, democracy, and an ally in such a hostile region?
Now you tell me Russia's reason for invading Georgia.
Protecting their citizens? BULL! Why the are they in Gori now? Why the hell are they bombing international airports? Why the hell do they have so many tanks, soldiers, and ing artillery when Georgia is a small 1 million nation.
Tell me.
jerZ07002
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Originally posted by LatinLover
Krypton,
It seems to be that your not an intelligent person. The US went into Iraq with the consent of the American people and the consent of the international community. 2: The US NEVER intentionally targeted civilians or destroyed intentionally infrastructure. 3: The US engaged in diplomacy by giving Hussein a deadline to leave office or face the consequences. I can go on all day with this.
What Russia has done is go out like pure thugs and invading a nation. Russia has no justification what so ever in purposely damaging the infrastructure of a nation. Civilians shouldnt be in the middle of this nonsense war that is going on. If you seem to justify purposely targeting of innocent lives by Russia and not adhere to sign an agreement to cease fire ( by which Georgia has agreed too and urged Russ to do the same) I just got to question your morale
consent of the international community? didn't intent to destroy infrastructure? seriously? for all your claims, there are more persuasive counter-claims. although the deadline claim may have some legs.
i won't disagree that russia is probably being overly aggressive and disingenuous in its claimed justification.
Xavier Moriarty
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Ok so we go into afghanistan, everyones ok with that, but we have a military dictator in Iraq who is developing nuclear energy and who "supposedly" has WMD's.. The intelligence has been wrong many times before in the past. Anyway, this dictator is opressing his nation on extreme levels...thats already enough reason for me,understanding the hardships of opression. Also, we have him funding al-Qaeda which leads intelligence to believe that if he does have such WMD's, than those can be handed over to the oh so rich Osama bin Laden.
exactly what im talking about.
"hey lets bomb 'em back to the stone age, i have this hunch they have wmd's".
they had nothing and still paid really ed up price.
georgia attacked first, killed 1500 civilians and its "crime against humanity" what russia had to do??
do you really dont see whats going on here??
jerZ07002
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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
now wait just a minute. didnt america went to iraq because of weapons of mass destruction???
its so ing AWESOME how everybody forgot about that in less than 5 years.
that is the claimed reason, until they discovered there were no WMDs, then the justification was to overthrow a brutal dictator. The justifications were fluid and changed with the evidence.
Krypton
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Originally posted by LatinLover
Krypton,
It seems to be that your not an intelligent person.
If I'm not intelligent, you must be brain dead..
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The US went into Iraq with the consent of the American people and the consent of the international community. 2: The US NEVER intentionally targeted civilians or destroyed intentionally infrastructure. 3: The US engaged in diplomacy by giving Hussein a deadline to leave office or face the consequences. I can go on all day with this.
You have an extremely screwed view of reality. Over 30 million people, all across the globe, participated in over 3000 protests against the Iraq War. On the Security Council, China, Russia, and France would not accept any military campaign whatsoever. TRANSLATION: No consent by the international community.
The intention not to kill civilians is NO EXCUSE to the fact that in war, people die, no matter the intentions. It does not matter what the intentions are, innocent people will die. You are a sick person to excuse this as "collateral damage".
What kind of diplomacy is giving an ultimatum to a foreign sovereign country to FORCE THEM TO DEPOSE THEIR LEADER!? Obviously, you don't know two s about what diplomacy even is.
But please, go on all day with this, so I can show how much of idiot a radical nationalist can be...
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What Russia has done is go out like pure thugs and invading a nation. Russia has no justification what so ever in purposely damaging the infrastructure of a nation. Civilians shouldnt be in the middle of this nonsense war that is going on. If you seem to justify purposely targeting of innocent lives by Russia and not adhere to sign an agreement to cease fire ( by which Georgia has agreed too and urged Russ to do the same) I just got to question your morale
What Russia is doing is no different than what the United States has done. But being the extremist nationalist that you are, I'm not surprised you give a free pass to American aggression. And to prove my point, tell me if any of this is wrong, using your own words...
"What the US has done is go out like pure thugs and invading a nation. US has no justification what so ever in purposeFULLY damaging the infrastructure of a nation. Civilians should not be in the middle of this nonsense war that is going on. If you seem to justify purposefully targeting of innocent lives in Iraq and not adhere to sign an agreement to weapons inspections (by which Iraq has agreed to and urged the US to do the same) I just have to question your MORALITY."
The point? Russia is no different than the USA in its actions, and people like Latinlover should shut the up, especially when they support the invasion of Iraq.
Moongoose
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Originally posted by Atmos
Ok, I hate to break it to you but war requires sacrifice, it requires death, time, money, honor, discipline, and so much more than just words.
None of the freedoms you see yourself with today that you take for granted would even exist if it woouldnt be for the sacrifices made by millions in the past. Get that idealistic peaceful world society out of your mind cause it wont get you anywhere.
On 9/11, terrorist attacks in the US changed us completely. If you're some conspirator than it will be very hard to get my message across. But, here we go. Behind these attacks was Osama and al-Qaeda.
Ok so we go into afghanistan, everyones ok with that, but we have a military dictator in Iraq who is developing nuclear energy and who "supposedly" has WMD's.The intelligence has been wrong many times before in the past.
So you figure, well since we are in the neighbourhood anyway lets visit Iraq then? And as far as i can remember, in the beginning there was little talk of "liberating an oppressed nation", instead all the hype was about presenting Iraq as an imminent security treat with a humongous stash of WMDs.
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Originally posted by Atmos
Anyway, this dictator is opressing his nation on extreme levels...thats already enough reason for me,understanding the hardships of opression. Also, we have him funding al-Qaeda which leads intelligence to believe that if he does have such WMD's, than those can be handed over to the oh so rich Osama bin Laden.
Of course he funded al kaida, even despite the known fact that he and osama didnt like each other.
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Originally posted by Atmos
We invaded for National Security purposes and for morality.
Everyone supported the war in the beginning, loving the idea of America liberating an opressed nation, but slowly began becoming worried about the length and commitment that had to be made.
Who supported what now? I seem to remember most of the UN firmly disagreeing with any military action in Iraq.
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Originally posted by Atmos
Now you tell me Russia's reason for invading Georgia.
Protecting their citizens? BULL! Why the are they in Gori now? Why the hell are they bombing international airports? Why the hell do they have so many tanks, soldiers, and ing artillery when Georgia is a small 1 million nation.
Tell me.
I believe that i read that about 90% of So population has a russian passport, so how is an intervention NOT protecting their citizens?
St_Andrew
I do not support Russia's intervention in Georgia, but seriously, this is just insane:
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Originally posted by Atmos
Ok so we go into afghanistan, everyones ok with that, but we have a military dictator in Iraq who is developing nuclear energy and who "supposedly" has WMD's.. The intelligence has been wrong many times before in the past. Anyway, this dictator is opressing his nation on extreme levels...thats already enough reason for me,understanding the hardships of opression. Also, we have him funding al-Qaeda which leads intelligence to believe that if he does have such WMD's, than those can be handed over to the oh so rich Osama bin Laden.
WTF!!!
First of all, he was developing nuclear energy?! What a ing claim is that? And how do you know so much about "the hardships of oppression"? And the biggest WTF of them all, Saddam Hussein funded al-Queda?! I thought that myth was long dead, but apparently there are still a few enlightened ones out there!
So one thought it couldn't get any worse, but oh well, I guess it could:
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Originally posted by LatinLover
It seems to be that your not an intelligent person. The US went into Iraq with the consent of the American people and the consent of the international community. 2: The US NEVER intentionally targeted civilians or destroyed intentionally infrastructure. 3: The US engaged in diplomacy by giving Hussein a deadline to leave office or face the consequences. I can go on all day with this.
What Russia has done is go out like pure thugs and invading a nation. Russia has no justification what so ever in purposely damaging the infrastructure of a nation. Civilians shouldnt be in the middle of this nonsense war that is going on. If you seem to justify purposely targeting of innocent lives by Russia and not adhere to sign an agreement to cease fire ( by which Georgia has agreed too and urged Russ to do the same) I just got to question your morale
INTERNATIONAL CONSENT OVER THE IRAQ WAR?! I simply don't have words for this. You seriously think they had? Who told you this? And how could you possibly miss the build up to the Iraq war with all the failed efforts to get any kind of consent?!
Russia is obviously not intentionally killing civilians, just like in any war you will get civilian causalities. How many times didn't the US bomb civilian targets by mistake?! You think they also did it intensionally?
