Originally posted by Q5echo i have no doubt that the State Dept. is telling Moscow what they're going to say publicly before they say it publicly
If that's the case, that'de be a very smart thing to do. But Rice should visit Moscow too, not just Tbilisi. Hell, if Madeline Albright had the balls to visit Pyongyang, Condolezza Rize should go to Moscow.
Magnetonium
LOL ... I love how LatinLover used Fox News for most of his articles ... well, I'd like to share this video. Apparently, it didnt go as well as the show host anticipated it - after all, American citizens trapped in South Ossetia - would be victimized by the Russians? Watch how these ladies were to be cut off from the airwaves ...
Magnetonium
The all-too-familiar view on this conflict - some of these are obvious lies spun by the media (Georgia does not have gas and oil, for example):
Q5echo
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Originally posted by Krypton
Hell, if Madeline Albright had the balls to visit Pyongyang...
yeah, we all know how well that turned out:rolleyes:
Q5echo
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
Watch how these ladies were to be cut off from the airwaves ...
what? they knew her story prior to putting her on then they put her on. what is your malfunction?
you people need to stop obsessing over Foxnews. it makes you look stupid.
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by Q5echo
what? they knew her story prior to putting her on then they put her on. what is your malfunction?
you people need to stop obsessing over Foxnews. it makes you look stupid.
Fox News knows the story of everyone who they put on their shows. Its just sometimes things dont go according to their plan or to the "recommendations". This happened before.
I wasnt claiming anything else, just encouraging everyone to ignore Fox News and their converage of this conflict. Thats all.
LazFX
Its like the 80's all over....
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Kremlin dusts off Cold War lexicon to make US villain in Georgia
Russians were told over breakfast yesterday what really happened in Georgia: the conflict in South Ossetia was part of a plot by Dick Cheney, the Vice-President, to stop Barack Obama being elected president of the United States.
The line came on the main news of Vesti FM, a state radio station that — like the Government and much of Russia's media — has reverted to the old habits of Soviet years, in which a sinister American hand was held to lie behind every conflict, especially those embarrassing to Moscow. Modern Russia may be plugged into the internet and the global marketplace but in the battle for world opinion the Kremlin is replaying the old black-and-white movie.
The Obama angle is getting wide play. It was aired on Wednesday by Sergei Markov, a senior political scientist who is close to Vladimir Putin, the Prime Minister and power behind President Medvedev.
“George Bush's Administration is promoting interests of candidate John McCain,” said Dr Markov. “Defeated by Barak Obama on all fronts, McCain has one last card to play yet - the creation of a virtual Cold War with Russia . . . Bush himself did not want a war in South Ossetia but his Republican Party did not leave him any choice.” The Americans were now engineering an armed conflict between Ukraine and Russia, Dr Markov added.
The Establishment and its media supporters are dusting off favourites from the Cold War shelf. Sergei Lavrov, the Foreign Minister, accused Washington of playing dangerous games. The West was guilty of “adventurism”, supporting aggression against peace-loving Russian forces who are engaged on a humanitarian mission to protect human life. Yesterday's headline in Commersant, a generally admired newspaper, announced with old-style sarcasm the imminent American “Military Humanitarian Landing” in Georgia.
A classic of Soviet-speak also came from Vasili Lickhachev, a former Russian Ambassador to the EU. “The West has spent a lot of time, energy and money to teach Georgia the tricks of the trade . . . to make the country look like a democracy,” he said.
“We and many other nations see through this deceit. We understand that the seditious tactics of the so-called colour revolutions are a real threat to international law and the source of global legal nihilism.”
These grooves from the Cold War grave are shrugged off by many Russians but they strike a chord in a nation ready once again to see itself as the victim of outside conspiracy. Blogs everywhere attract conspiracy lovers but Russian blogs have been exceptionally rich this week in theories of Western skulduggery over Georgia.
The old thinking finds more fertile ground now because, in the view of disillusioned Russians, President Bush relaunched the ideological war through a compliant American media, especially at the time of the invasion of Iraq.
“In the old days under Soviet rule we didn't believe a word of our own propaganda but we thought that information was free in the West and we longed for it,” said Katya, a middle-aged Muscovite. “But we have learnt since that the West has its own propaganda and in some ways it is more powerful because people believe it.”
Moscow is using novel methods to spread a very unsubtle, Cold War version of the Caucasian conflict to the world. Chief among them is Russia Today, a state 24-hour news channel that is fronted much of the time by cheery British and other English-speaking television professionals.
The smiles and studio banter could come from BBC World or CNN but the story is unrelentingly the Kremlin version. Banners flash along at the bottom of the screen saying such things as “genocide” and “aggression” or “city turns into human hell, many people still trapped under rubble”. Recapping the conflict yesterday RT's presenter said that Georgia's “brutal assault” had killed 1,600 civilians in its breakaway province in a campaign that destroyed 70 per cent of the buildings in Tskhinvali, its capital. Russian forces had moved in only to bring peace as Georgian forces killed women and children who were trying to flee, it said. Throughout its rolling cover of alleged Georgian atrocities, there was no mention of the heavy Russian military offensive.
The coverage goes down well in developing countries that want an alternative to CNN and BBC World Service, a Russian official said. “We have learnt from Western TV how to simplify the narrative.”
The Soviet crackdown
— In January 1968 Alexander Dubcek became First Secretary of the Czechoslovak Communist Party, instituting the “Prague Spring” liberalising reforms
— In August the Soviet-led Warsaw Pact invaded, below, claiming that its assistance had been requested by Communist Party leaders. Dubcek was arrested
— Lyndon Johnson, the US President, declared the invasion in violation of the United Nations Charter, but America was in the middle of a presidential election campaign and a war in Vietnam. The West took no action
— In 1988 mass demonstrations marked the anniversary
— The Communists were finally ousted in 1989 and Václav Havel was elected President in what became known as the Velvet Revolution. Soviet forces withdrew in 1991
Moscow is using novel methods to spread a very unsubtle, Cold War version of the Caucasian conflict to the world. Chief among them is Russia Today, a state 24-hour news channel that is fronted much of the time by cheery British and other English-speaking television professionals.
seems the Russians are Fox'n it up....
XaNaX
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Don't blame Georgia:
If Georgia really though that the US would send the Air Force to bomb Russia over this whole shady situation then their leaders are ing idiots. Now if they were full NATO members that would be another story. But then if they were a NATO country they would never have been allowed by NATO to move into Ossetia because of the obvious fact that it would provoke a Russian response which would require NATO retaliation, then leading to WWIII in Europe.
CGRumler
Here's what I think we (Tranceaddict posters) should do:
Step #1:
We round up Bush (or McCain) and Putin.
Step #2:
Sit them both in front of a television with a DVD player.
Step #3:
Insert a DVD copy of "Rocky IV".
Step #4:
Force the both of them to watch from start to finish.
DrUg_Tit0
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
Fox News knows the story of everyone who they put on their shows. Its just sometimes things dont go according to their plan or to the "recommendations". This happened before.
I wasnt claiming anything else, just encouraging everyone to ignore Fox News and their converage of this conflict. Thats all.
I am sure that the Fox News corespondant wasn't really happy about the fact that the two ladies praised Russia, and maybe he did cut the story short, but they did manage to say what they had to say...
Moongoose
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Originally posted by LazFX
Its like the 80's all over....
this is my fav.....
seems the Russians are Fox'n it up....
Mine's this.
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“In the old days under Soviet rule we didn't believe a word of our own propaganda but we thought that information was free in the West and we longed for it,” said Katya, a middle-aged Muscovite. “But we have learnt since that the West has its own propaganda and in some ways it is more powerful because people believe it.”
Both sides play the propaganda card, however america has achieved something that Russia or Soviet Union never did...almost complete blind belief in said propaganda, which is quite an amazing feat.
Also on a side note, I am really happy that this has happened when France is heading the EU and not a couple of months earlier when that was our job. It's not that i think that we wouldn't be able to handle a crisis like this if we got a couple of cool heads together, its just that our current leadership, which sometimes gives the feeling that what it would most like to do is crawly up americas ass as far as possible, would take a completely different approach than Sarkozy. He went down there and talked to both parties and called for a time out. I think that its very likely that whoever we would send, would be standing right next to Saakashivili and join him in his blatant lies and criticism of Russia, anything to appease the US. I am really disappointed with my government as of late on foreign affairs issues, so i really hope that they will get voted up in the coming election. The only problem is, every other political party is equally bad so there really isnt a decent choice out there.
guerra-monstru
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Originally posted by Moongoose
Both sides play the propaganda card, however america has achieved something that Russia or Soviet Union never did...almost complete blind belief in said propaganda, which is quite an amazing feat.
That is not fair for the people of the US. The majority do not CARE about politics or anything related to it. Trust me I know the people of the north better than you does. Also many russians have a blind belief in said propaganda and once again you will find that many russians do not care about politics. And why? Because in a consumerist society no one cares what happens so long as they can shop shop shop shop shop SHOP!!!!!
