Originally posted by LatinLover
Agreed! To be in the Military requires sacrifice, commitment, courage.
I disagree that being in the miliraty is like any other job because is not. You are putting your life on the line, you are serving one of the highest rank in serving your country and all the sacrifices that entitles it with. Like almost giving up a social life. Im sure Krypton thought about this things and found out he couldnt handle them. He is not ready to make such a sacrifice. So its better for him to go out in clubs glow sticking.
being a firefighter or cop can be dangerous and requires much of the same, does that mean they aren't like any other job? sure, soldiers make sacrifices in their service, but so do many professionals. And i don't think that because someone is serving in the military, thus serving ones country, gives that person a special status. The fact of american military service is that people who join are (i) people with a military career in mind, (ii) people who do it because it is family tradition, and (iii) people who have no other options or think it is their best option. Category 3 certainly makes up the largest group. I don't hold those people above anyone regardless of their sacrifice. They did it as a conscious decision because they feared they had no better decision. Someone who went to harvard has a much 'higher rank' in my eyes than someone who barely passed high school.
LatinLover
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Originally posted by jerZ07002
being a firefighter or cop can be dangerous and requires much of the same, does that mean they aren't like any other job? sure, soldiers make sacrifices in their service, but so do many professionals. And i don't think that because someone is serving in the military, thus serving ones country, gives that person a special status. The fact of american military service is that people who join are (i) people with a military career in mind, (ii) people who do it because it is family tradition, and (iii) people who have no other options or think it is their best option. Category 3 certainly makes up the largest group. I don't hold those people above anyone regardless of their sacrifice. They did it as a conscious decision because they feared they had no better decision. Someone who went to harvard has a much 'higher rank' in my eyes than someone who barely passed high school.
I'm not saying that being a soldier gives you a higher rank to other professionals or tradesmen. What Im trying to say is that soldiers carry a special quality with them. These individuals lift themselves beyond any personal aspirations. They have a really humble career. They join the Arm services knowing they wont earn a great sum amount of money. Look, I denounce the notion that the majority of our soldiers join the arm services because they have no other option and that is their only way to make it in life. They are those exceptions ofcourse. The mood of our soldiers cannot be summarized by your statement.
I mean I dont share with you the notion that being an ivy league grad makes you inferior to anyone. There are plenty of intelligent individuals in the arm forces that are putting it to use serving this nation and not for financial gains. Look at David Patreus, A BRILLIANT MAN, dont tell me that this men or other generals are not intelligent individuals that barely passed high school. Examples of this patriots are are all over our arm services.
Yes, there are many ways in serving your country. But I considered being a soldier is the most humble one. A soldier dosent have any agenda like our politicians, their primary concern is defending and protecting america and our great constitution. And to serve our country when called upon.
LatinLover
BTW Please dont share nor promote what this idiot says about our soldiers:
DrUg_Tit0
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Originally posted by LatinLover
Krypton,
Please, you are making a fool out of yourself. I suggest you too everytime you visit the PDD forum to go directly to your investor thread because you are just making a fool out of yourself.
I mean, just admit that you didnt join the Arm services because you were scared. There isnt any other excuse. You were afraid to serve your country. And you found out that you are better off serving your country talking BS in forums.
And which front are you writing this message from?
jerZ07002
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Originally posted by LatinLover
I'm not saying that being a soldier gives you a higher rank to other professionals or tradesmen. What Im trying to say is that soldiers carry a special quality with them. These individuals lift themselves beyond any personal aspirations. They have a really humble career. They join the Arm services knowing they wont earn a great sum amount of money. Look, I denounce the notion that the majority of our soldiers join the arm services because they have no other option and that is their only way to make it in life. They are those exceptions ofcourse. The mood of our soldiers cannot be summarized by your statement.
I mean I dont share with you the notion that being an ivy league grad makes you inferior to anyone. There are plenty of intelligent individuals in the arm forces that are putting it to use serving this nation and not for financial gains. Look at David Patreus, A BRILLIANT MAN, dont tell me that this men or other generals are not intelligent individuals that barely passed high school. Examples of this patriots are are all over our arm services.
Yes, there are many ways in serving your country. But I considered being a soldier is the most humble one. A soldier dosent have any agenda like our politicians, their primary concern is defending and protecting america and our great constitution. And to serve our country when called upon.
of course there are intelligent people in the military. patreus went to princeton university, as did wesley clark and many other OFFICERS (emphasis added). I would venture to say that most high ranking military officials are very bright, probably among the brightest people we have. However, the vast majority of people serving in the military are NOT officers and not college educated. If you look back at my post, i give three reasons most people join. Reason one was a military career, which patreus would certainly fall within. As to your patreus example, however, the exception to the rule hardly disproves the truth.
I don't disagree that the military is a humble career choice. You are right that the light at the end of the tunnel is NOT money, and that is certainly respectable. But you are flat out wrong if you think most people don't join the military for the reasons i stated.
As to your comment about ivy leaguers being inferior, i take it you meant, 'superior'. You have absolutely no point there because patreus himself is actually ivy league educated. Thus, just like you, i would hold him in high esteem anyway.
Originally posted by LatinLover
Agreed! To be in the Military requires sacrifice, commitment, courage.
I disagree that being in the miliraty is like any other job because is not. You are putting your life on the line, you are serving one of the highest rank in serving your country and all the sacrifices that entitles it with. Like almost giving up a social life. Im sure Krypton thought about this things and found out he couldnt handle them. He is not ready to make such a sacrifice. So its better for him to go out in clubs glow sticking.
Question. Are you in the military?
I love how your primary method of debate is personal attacks, which really says a lot about your lack of credibility. Keep making an ass out of yourself, everyone's watching..:rolleyes:
LatinLover
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Originally posted by jerZ07002
of course there are intelligent people in the military. patreus went to princeton university, as did wesley clark and many other OFFICERS (emphasis added). I would venture to say that most high ranking military officials are very bright, probably among the brightest people we have. However, the vast majority of people serving in the military are NOT officers and not college educated. If you look back at my post, i give three reasons most people join. Reason one was a military career, which patreus would certainly fall within. As to your patreus example, however, the exception to the rule hardly disproves the truth.
I don't disagree that the military is a humble career choice. You are right that the light at the end of the tunnel is NOT money, and that is certainly respectable. But you are flat out wrong if you think most people don't join the military for the reasons i stated.
As to your comment about ivy leaguers being inferior, i take it you meant, 'superior'. You have absolutely no point there because patreus himself is actually ivy league educated. Thus, just like you, i would hold him in high esteem anyway.
Im not discrediting your reasons. If you are trying to say that those in the military that dont pursue a college education are less than to those that do, YOU ARE COMPLETLY WRONG. There are many people with college degrees, eventhough they have a degree, are simply stupid and do stupid . There are a lot of exmaples in our society of those individuals.
What im trying to tell you is that there are certain things that a college cannot do to you. A college cant teach you how to build character, humble etc..
What Im trying to say is that the military, I believe, graduates soldiers with character, honor, loyalty, humbleness etc.. They give up personal aspirations to make sure us at home pursue ours. They make sure we mantain the lifestyle we wish to mantain, a lifestyle that they sacrifice. They make sure we pursuit happiness as w.e we perceive it. That my man is somthing that college or any degree cant teach you.
Sure Daivd patreus got an excellent education, but his education is being backed by those qualities that ive mentioned above. Those qualities IMO are the ones that define the man. Those are the qualities why our soldiers believe in him and us americans. There are other generals that might not have attended the institutions he did and are BRILLIANT. So trying to say that our soldiers in the field are not as intelligent as these individuals is plain wrong. If that was the reason our generals wouldnt believe in them.
LatinLover
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Originally posted by Krypton
Question. Are you in the military?
I love how your primary method of debate is personal attacks, which really says a lot about your lack of credibility. Keep making an ass out of yourself, everyone's watching..:rolleyes:
Didnt I tell you to go into your investor thread and not come out of it? :rolleyes:
Krypton
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Originally posted by LatinLover
Didnt I tell you to go into your investor thread and not come out of it? :rolleyes:
Exactly, you're hypocrite ass should shut the up about joining the military..:o
LatinLover
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Originally posted by Krypton
Exactly, you're hypocrite ass should shut the up about joining the military..:o
Im keeping you honest, Krypton.
HardTranceProd
LOL you gotta ridicule this guy Saakashvili, interpreting the US reaction his own way -
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Bush announced the U.S. humanitarian effort prior to Saakashvili's comments, which came in a televised address to his nation. Bush said the mission had already begun and involved U.S. aircraft as well as naval forces.
Saakashvili then told Georgians: "You have heard the statement by the U.S. president that the United States is starting a military-humanitarian operation in Georgia. It means that Georgian ports and airports will be taken under the control of the U.S. defense ministry in order to conduct humanitarian and other missions. This is a very important statement for easing tension."
Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell quickly countered: "We are not looking to, nor do we need to, take control of any air or seaports to conduct this mission."
"The role of the U.S. military is strictly to facilitate the delivery of humanitarian assistance to the victims of this conflict," Morrell said.
