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Escalating situation in (country of) Georgia (pg. 26)
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| LatinLover |
| If the far left thinks that they are going to win the election by making nonsense comments and trying to picture the party of pogress(GOP) as war hawks I forsee another 4 years of bitching from you guys when we keep the white house come elections |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
The reason your stupid ass is in canada in the first place is because of the digusting american 'empire.' Like it or not, canada's prosperity is based on feeding american consumption. |
Canada is nowhere near as bad as the US trust me.It sad that or economy is revolved around yours though.:( |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
Wouldn't it be awesome if an 18 wheeler full of gas crashed into your car, with you in it? I think that would be totally awesome |
I ll crash the 18 wheelers to the white house,now that would be very awesome.;) |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by LatinLover
We have every justification to invade Iran. I would urge the world to get behind this just and humanaterian effort. Its time to liberate Iranians from the menace. |
Go yourself you have no rights to do anything in the world.Mind you own in business.The day you step into Iran you ll face 60 million Iranians kicking the out of your coward of a military. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Im just waiting for how long it takes for the media to realise that the man exaggerates and lies every time he opens his mouth, and stop inviting him to give interviews. |
Media digs liars,look at Bush ffs,when was the last time the media called him a in liar and a scumbag? |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by LatinLover
I dont want too put you into shame by having the manhood to join and you lacking it. |
You wont last a day in military who are you kidding? The Iraqis will have a field day to with a coward like you.;) |
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| Krypton |
| Finally, the war is over. Russians are allowing armed Georgian police to establish law and order in Gori. |
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| LazFX |
ing McCain.... the man is an idiot....
I bet that SOB could not even find Georgia on the map!
| quote: | Georgian President to McCain: Put up or shut up
Georgian president to McCain: Move 'from words to deeds'
Posted: 08:50 AM ET
From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby
CNN
Watch the entire interview with President Saakashvili.
(CNN) � Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili on Wednesday called for John McCain and other American leaders to do more for Georgia in their response to the conflict in his country.
�Yesterday, I heard Sen. McCain say, �We are all Georgians now,�� Saakashvili said on CNN�s American Morning. �Well, very nice, you know, very cheering for us to hear that, but OK, it�s time to pass from this. From words to deeds.�
McCain told a crowd in Pennsylvania yesterday that he had called Saakashvili to express solidarity with the people of Georgia, saying: �Today, we are all Georgians.�
McCain�s foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann told reporters on the campaign plane Tuesday that McCain�s remark �obviously meant a lot to Saakashvili personally, but more importantly the message it conveyed to the Georgian people in this really, time of unprecedented national emergency.� Scheunemann said McCain and Saakashvili are friends who have speaking daily throughout the crisis.
But Saakashvili said action is more important than rhetoric in the face of �brutal� and �deliberate� Russian violence. He urged the United States to take the lead in installing an international peacekeeping force.
�We should realize what is at stake here for Americans,� he said. �America is losing the whole region.�
�What Americans should do know, first of all, clearly make known their intentions,� he said.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...words-to-deeds/
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Georgia's a pawn which thinks it can go against a queen. |
unfortunately for russia, the queen is the only piece left on the board. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Canada is nowhere near as bad as the US trust me.It sad that or economy is revolved around yours though.:( |
you absolutely missed the point. i wasn't commenting on whether canada has good policies. Only that Canada's wealth is derived from selling its resources to americans. If you think that's a bad thing you are highly misinformed. Even if Canadians weren't as reliant directly on selling to the US the simple fact that americans are in the market drives up the price of everything and makes everyone a little wealthier. This is the same effect china is now having on commodities markets. If you still think its a bad thing you are simply a moron.
Your anti american bull is just getting tired. You should take notice of all the good that americans do around the world. More foreign aid is given by the US government than any other government in the world. Two of the richest people on earth, who are americans - bill gates and warren buffet - have pledged almost all of their wealth to help poor people throughout the world. That's more than 100 billion dollars in donations to help people from other countries.
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm
60 largest contributions by americans:
http://specials.slate.com/slate60/2007/
general statistics:
http://www.nptrust.org/philanthropy...hropy_stats.asp
remember the indonesian earthquake in 2004? americans gave more than twice that of any other country, and this to a muslim nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humani...cean_earthquake
Tell me, what has any iranian done to significantly improve this world? where are the large donations by iran and its people to help the impoverished around the world? where are the iranians when a natural disaster hits in indonesia, pakistan, etc... How many iranians have devoted their lives to improve living conditions in africa? How many iranians have spent their lives researching cures for diseases that don't even affect its people? When a conflict hits a country how much aid do the iranians provide to assist the affected civilians? when you answer those questions then your gripe with americans and your unjustified superiority complex can have some legitimacy. Until then, STFU!
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Go yourself you have no rights to do anything in the world.Mind you own in business.The day you step into Iran you ll face 60 million Iranians kicking the out of your coward of a military. |
if you really believe that you are dumber than i initially thought. the US military doesn't even need to step foot in iran and it could bring your country to its knees. The only reason the US is/was losing in iraq is because we are now trying to help rebuild the country (something most victors throughout history have not done to the defeated). if the purpose was just to defeat iraq the war would have been won with almost no casualties. don't be so stupid! |
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| LazFX |
So much for peace??
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Russia: 'Forget' Georgian territorial integrity
GORI, Georgia (AP) -- Russia's foreign minister declared Thursday that the world "can forget about" Georgia's territorial integrity, and American and Georgian officials said Russia appeared to be targeting military infrastructure - including radars and patrol boats at a Black Sea naval base and oil hub.
An AP Television News crew in the oil port city of Poti saw one destroyed Georgian military boat, and two Russian armored vehicles and two Russian transport trucks. Soldiers who identified themselves as Russian peacekeepers blocked the crew from going further.
Russia's president met in the Kremlin with the leaders of Georgia's two separatist provinces - a clear sign that Moscow could absorb the regions. The comments from Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov appeared to come as a challenge to the United States, where President Bush has called for Russia to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia."
The Russian refusal to withdraw from Georgia presents a challenge to the cease-fire agreement designed to end seven days of fighting. The EU-sponsored accord had envisioned Russian and Georgian forces returning to their original positions.
In Washington, an American official said Russia appears to be sabotaging airfields and other military infrastructure as its forces pull back. The U.S. official described eyewitnesses accounts for The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. The official said the Russian strategy seems like a deliberate attempt to cripple the already battered Georgian military.
The United States poured aid into the Georgian capital of Tbilisi on Thursday and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice launched emergency talks in France aimed at heading off a wider conflict.
Russia's deputy chief of General Staff Col.-Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn said he was not sure that the U.S. planes carried exclusively humanitarian cargo. "It causes our concern," he said.
At least 20 explosions were heard near Gori, along with small-arms fire. It could not immediately be determined if the blasts were a renewal of fighting between Georgian and Russian forces, but they sounded similar to mortar shells and occurred after a tense confrontation between Russian and Georgian troops on the edge of the city.
The strategically located city is 15 miles south of South Ossetia, the Russian-backed separatist region where Russian and Georgian forces fought a five-day battle. Russian troops entered Gori on Wednesday, after the two sides signed the cease-fire.
In Washington, a Pentagon official said U.S. intelligence had assessed that the number of Russians in Gori was small - about 100 to 200 troops. But the Russian presence in Gori, only 60 miles west of Tbilisi, was viewed as a demonstration of the vulnerability of the capital.
Nogovitsyn said Russian troops went to Gori to establish contact with local civilian administration and take control over military depots left behind by the Georgian forces. "The abandoned weapons needed protection," he said.
Georgian government officials who went into the city for the possible handover left unexpectedly around midday, followed by a checkpoint confrontation outside Gori which ended when Russian tanks sped toward the area and Georgian police quickly retreated.
A Russian general in Gori had said Wednesday it would take at least two days to leave the city.
Besides the hundreds killed since hostilities broke out, the United Nations estimates 100,000 Georgians have been uprooted; Russia says some 30,000 residents of South Ossetia fled into the neighboring Russian province of North Ossetia.
Russian troops also appeared to be settling in elsewhere in Georgia outside the breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
"One can forget about any talk about Georgia's territorial integrity because, I believe, it is impossible to persuade South Ossetia and Abkhazia to agree with the logic that they can be forced back into the Georgian state," Lavrov told reporters.
The White House bluntly rejected Lavrov's message.
"Our position on Georgia's territorial integrity is not going to change no matter what anybody says," White House press secretary Dana Perino said Thursday. "And so I would consider that to be bluster from the foreign minister of Russia. We will ignore it."
Georgia's coast guard said Russian troops had burned patrol boats and destroyed radars and other equipment at the port city of Poti, home to Georgia's main naval base and a major hub for oil exports to Europe. The APTN crew saw one destroyed boat, about 60 feet long.
On Poti's outskirts, the APTN crew followed a different convoy of Russian troops as they searched a forest for Georgian military equipment.
Nogovitsyn avoided comment on the Russian presence in Poti, saying only that Russian forces were operating within their "area of responsibility."
Another APTN camera crew saw Russian soldiers and military vehicles parked Thursday inside the Georgian government's elegant, heavily-gated residence in the western town of Zugdidi. Some of the soldiers wore blue peacekeeping helmets, others wore green camouflage helmets, all were heavily armed. The scene underlined how closely the soldiers Russia calls peacekeepers are allied with its military.
"The Russian troops are here. They are occupying," Ygor Gegenava, an elderly Zugdidi resident told the APTN crew. "We don't want them here. What we need is friendship and good relations with the Russian people."
Georgia, bordering the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union.
A steady, dejected trickle of Georgian refugees fled the front line in overloaded cars, trucks and tractor-pulled wagons, heading to Tbilisi on the road from Gori. One Soviet-era car carried eight people, including a mother and a baby in the front seat. The open back door of a small blue van revealed at least a dozen people crowded inside.
The Russian General Prosecutor's office on Thursday said it has formally opened a genocide probe into Georgian treatment of South Ossetians. For its part, Georgia this week filed a suit against Russia in the International Court of Justice, alleging murder, rape and mass expulsions in both provinces.
More homes in deserted ethnic Georgian villages were apparently set ablaze Wednesday, sending clouds of smoke over the foothills north of Tskhinvali, capital of breakaway South Ossetia.
One Russian colonel, who refused to give his name, blamed the fires on looters.
Those with ethnic Georgian backgrounds who have stayed behind - like 70-year-old retired teacher Vinera Chebataryeva - seem increasingly unwelcome in South Ossetia.
As she stood sobbing in her wrecked apartment near the center of Tskhinvali, Chebataryeva said a skirmish between Ossetian soldiers and a Georgian tank had gouged the two gaping shell holes in her wall, bashing in her piano and destroying her furniture.
Janna Kuzayeva, an ethnic Ossetian neighbor, claimed the Georgian tank fired the shell at Chebataryeva's apartment.
"We know for sure her brother spied for Georgians," said Kuzayeva. "We let her stay here, and now she's blaming everything on us."
North of Tskhinvali, a number of former Georgian communities have been abandoned in the last few days. "There isn't a single Georgian left in those villages," said Robert Kochi, a 45-year-old South Ossetian.
But he had little sympathy for his former Georgian neighbors. "They wanted to physically uproot us all," he said. "What other definition is there for genocide?"
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie..._RUSSIA?SITE=AP
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| Moongoose |
| I found this to be interesting. A bit biased for sure, but stil interesting. |
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