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Escalating situation in (country of) Georgia (pg. 34)
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Kremlin does control media to a degree (although they're mostly not more biased than CNN for example), but that's not the reason why people vote for Putin. They vote for him because he's a good leader. If I were Russian, I'd vote for Putin. Considering how he pulled Russia out of total anarchy, most Russians probably don't mind about those supposed 500 million, even if the accusation is true. You may like him or not, but you must admit that turning a collapsed and beaten country back into a world power within 8 years is something that very few leaders could do. |
To a degree???? The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe that monitors elections weren't even able to monitor the last ones in Russia. The Kremlin has total control of the media. It wasn't too long ago Garry Kasperov was arrested and beaten for leading a protest against Putin. His crime? Chanting anti government slogans. I know the most recent case is Anna Politkovskaya who was about to report Russian human rights abuses in Chechnya starting from the top (Putin), but the truth is "she was at least the 43rd journalist killed for her work in Russia since 1993, according to CPJ (NY based Committe to Protect Journalists), which has ranked Russia the third most deadly country for journalists, after Iraq and Algeria. Many were killed while reporting on the two wars in Chechnya, and six were caught up in fighting between government and opposition forces in Moscow in 1993. Many more appear to have been targeted because of their attempts to dig into allegations of corruption within the Putin administration. The killers have rarely been found."
On another note, I do respect Putin's ability to do what he's doing. He has huge balls of steel and doesn't give a what leaders of other countries say when it comes to the interest of their country |
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| otec |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
To a degree???? The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe that monitors elections weren't even able to monitor the last ones in Russia. The Kremlin has total control of the media. It wasn't too long ago Garry Kasperov was arrested and beaten for leading a protest against Putin. His crime? Chanting anti government slogans. I know the most recent case is Anna Politkovskaya who was about to report Russian human rights abuses in Chechnya starting from the top (Putin), but the truth is "she was at least the 43rd journalist killed for her work in Russia since 1993, according to CPJ (NY based Committe to Protect Journalists), which has ranked Russia the third most deadly country for journalists, after Iraq and Algeria. Many were killed while reporting on the two wars in Chechnya, and six were caught up in fighting between government and opposition forces in Moscow in 1993. Many more appear to have been targeted because of their attempts to dig into allegations of corruption within the Putin administration. The killers have rarely been found."
On another note, I do respect Putin's ability to do what he's doing. He has huge balls of steel and doesn't give a what leaders of other countries say when it comes to the interest of their country |
Written about ^^^^^^^^^ is full of bull.
The Kremlin doesn't have a total control over media.
You just a pissed American who doesn't know a about the subject which you're talking about.
| quote: | | .The Investigative Committee of the Russian General Prosecutor's Office has revealed the chronology of the first days of events in South Ossetia, second deputy head of the committee's military investigations department Dmitry Shalkov announced. Shalkov also presented the results of interrogations of six Georgian servicemen, outlining the timeline of Georgia's operations, troop numbers, ammunition used, and the aims of the assault. It was also established during questioning that all the training and drills with Georgian troops had been conducted by US army officers. |
LOL |
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| otec |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
Capture part of their own country? |
It's not a part of Georgia. Read the news they've held a referendum for an independence and most of the people supported it. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by otec
The Kremlin doesn't have a total control over media.
You just a pissed American who doesn't know a about the subject which you're talking about. |
LOL you're right dude. I'm way off, and you're not a typical brainwashed Putin foot soldier. |
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| otec |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
LOL you're right dude. I'm way off, and you're not a typical brainwashed Putin foot soldier. |
I've actually lived in that country and know some stuff your biased CNN/FOX/BBC/Whatever WILL NEVER SHOW on your American HDTV. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by otec
I've actually lived in that country and know some stuff your biased CNN/FOX/BBC/Whatever WILL NEVER SHOW on your American HDTV. |
Uh uh. My wife is from there, lived there the first 26 years of her life, and worked a govt. position there until moving to the states 2 years ago, and probably gives me a better perspective than someone who lived there for a (relatively) short time as a typical citizen listening to state run media. |
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| otec |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Uh uh. My wife is from there, lived there the first 26 years of her life, and worked a govt. position there until moving to the states 2 years ago, and probably gives me a better perspective than someone who lived there for a (relatively) short time as a typical citizen listening to state run media. |
oh yeah man, a russian postal-bride makes your politics view. that's even more funny then comparing bush to a monkey.
get a life. learn russian and start reading russian media. you don't have any insight on what's going on there. just yellow-press info from CNN/BBC/FOX. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by otec
oh yeah man, a russian postal-bride makes your politics view. that's even more funny then comparing bush to a monkey.
get a life. learn russian and start reading russian media. you don't have any insight on what's going on there. just yellow-press info from CNN/BBC/FOX. |
LOL... yeah I picked her right out of a catalogue man. Number 298-34B. Her mom worked in the Duma for 35 years and she had about 4 years of govt. work, which pretty much guarantees that they, and consequently I, know more about the inside scoop than you're arrogant ass does. I'm sure you didn't expect that my comments came from being privy to some Russian stuff that you aren't, which is why you have to resort to personal attacks and weak assumptions. This reminds me of when Krypton tried to blast me as being some cog in the wheel who works a 9-5 office job, which I happily debunked (no hard feelings, Krypton... *fist bump*). There's no need for me to learn Russian when she speaks fluent english and translates russian media for me. You are also assuming I get my info from CNN/BBC/Fox... stupid assumption. I take the main stream media with a grain of salt. I can tell you already have your mind made up that it's impossible for what I'm saying to be true, and that I still don't know about what I'm saying. I read your comments and realize how uninformed you are without even getting into details. So unless you are willing to have an open mind about discussing the topic instead of just assuming and insulting my wife, then kindly go yourself and take your rhetoric elsewhere. K? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
LOL... yeah I picked her right out of a catalogue man. Number 298-34B. Her mom worked in the Duma for 35 years and she had about 4 years of govt. work, which pretty much guarantees that they, and consequently I, know more about the inside scoop than you're arrogant ass does. I'm sure you didn't expect that my comments came from being privy to some Russian stuff that you aren't, which is why you have to resort to personal attacks and weak assumptions. This reminds me of when Krypton tried to blast me as being some cog in the wheel who works a 9-5 office job, which I happily debunked (no hard feelings, Krypton... *fist bump*). There's no need for me to learn Russian when she speaks fluent english and translates russian media for me. You are also assuming I get my info from CNN/BBC/Fox... stupid assumption. I take the main stream media with a grain of salt. I can tell you already have your mind made up that it's impossible for what I'm saying to be true, and that I still don't know about what I'm saying. I read your comments and realize how uninformed you are without even getting into details. So unless you are willing to have an open mind about discussing the topic instead of just assuming and insulting my wife, then kindly go yourself and take your rhetoric elsewhere. K? |
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| The17sss |
| Nothin but love for ya, Krypton:toocool: |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
To a degree???? The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe that monitors elections weren't even able to monitor the last ones in Russia. The Kremlin has total control of the media. It wasn't too long ago Garry Kasperov was arrested and beaten for leading a protest against Putin. His crime? Chanting anti government slogans. I know the most recent case is Anna Politkovskaya who was about to report Russian human rights abuses in Chechnya starting from the top (Putin), but the truth is "she was at least the 43rd journalist killed for her work in Russia since 1993, according to CPJ (NY based Committe to Protect Journalists), which has ranked Russia the third most deadly country for journalists, after Iraq and Algeria. Many were killed while reporting on the two wars in Chechnya, and six were caught up in fighting between government and opposition forces in Moscow in 1993. Many more appear to have been targeted because of their attempts to dig into allegations of corruption within the Putin administration. The killers have rarely been found."
On another note, I do respect Putin's ability to do what he's doing. He has huge balls of steel and doesn't give a what leaders of other countries say when it comes to the interest of their country |
Russian government doesnt control all the media. Not even close. They have 2 government channels, so what? Is that illegal? And Russian media is not any less or more biased than Western media. Remember how American journalists got fired for speaking out against Iraqi invasion? Everyone was on the same boat. Plenty of Foxx and CIA-supported CNN to run the show. Russia is no different. There are plenty of nationalists within Russian media to help the government's main line without the so-called "government control" bull. Today's Russia is no communist state - FAR FROM IT.
Secondly, any comparisons of the conflict to the Russian invasion of Czechoslovakia in '68 to Hitler's of Sudetendand in 1938 is ridiculous. What Russia has done in this conflict would have been done by any of the strong countries in the world.
Seriously, if you were a leader of a strong European country like France, and then you had citizens and/or peacekeepers that got attacked by an aggressive force WITHOUT even talking to you first about evacuation, ignoring all ceasefire and UN-mediated treaties, violating peacekeeper-mandated maintaining of peace and resort from force. You would have chosen to protect your citizens. Or else get your arse nailed by your own people, your media, and have your political career ruined. USA has done the same before, remember lets say Panama? And for the same time, Russia didnt "hand out" Russian passports to the folks in Abkhazia and South Ossetia: in 1992, a law was passed in Russia to allow ANY FORMER Soviet citizen to apply for Russian citizenship, to protect Russians who were caught in other republics by the fall of the Soviet Union. People had a choice, and they decided to get double-citizenship. Today there are plenty of Russian nationals around the former Soviet bloc, including Ukraine, Moldova, Kazakhstan, etc. - but you dont see such problems there with this. But, in any case, Russia invaded not because of this, but because it got attacked DIRECTLY when bombs and gunfire rained down on Russian peacekeepers, dozens of whom lost their lives as a result. Thats a declaration of war of sorts. Imagine how USA would react if some small country attacked American peacekeepers! Would they take the tail between its legs and allow some small country to get away with the murder of its citizens? You think American public would be OK with it, too?
Georgia failed on ALL fronts. NATO itself, for crying out loud, has intervened on many occassions, like Kosovo - which is what this one is like. Recalle thousands of Albanian refugees flooding roads towards Albania, getting killed by Serbian forces? And NATO's actions weren't becried by anyone other than Russia. Now its hypocrisy and double standards in the most direct form.
Heck, USA had played this division role for decades. How about USA's military role in Taiwan? East Timor independence? Like, come on, dont tell me this South Ossetian conflict and the Russian response is same as Hitler or communist aggression? The world has been doing it on and on even in the most recent years and it was no big deal. And now all of a sudden its all different again? Give me a break .... this is just Russophobic campaign to eventually isolate and break Russia apart. No question about it.
And Russian troops, though still in Georgia, have stopped fighting, and are merely mediating end of the conflict, disarming Georgian military and destroying Georgian weapons to prevent another Georgian act of genocide and agression against provinces which it has noone else but itself to blame for losing (its own idiotic early 1990s policy "Georgia for Georgians" - come on, seriously!). Saaakashvilli refuses to sign the treaty, MEDIATED by French president (aka European Union current chief), and thinks he can still run the show. He has USA's backing so there's very likely that Russia will have to pull back and keep status quo. Ossetians and Abkhazians can never again trust Georgia after this yet another act of barbaric violence. I am most certain that this conflict had to have been given green light by someone in Pentagon or US/NATO government. Its almost impossible that with over 2000 Pentagon workers in Georgia before the attack, impossible to imagine that USA didnt know about this Georgian attack on South Ossetia. I think they gave the green light so that Poland can finally come to its sense and sign the agreement to allow USA military in Poland to set up whatever the hell it wishes. Look at the news, the results are evident. Nearly 100 Patriot missiles, US military base and troops are to be deployed to Poland. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
You know what I just read too? Russia is handing out passports in the Crimea region of Ukraine now. From the article:
"Yevgeniya Latynina, a columnist, wrote last week that when the South Ossetian President, Eduard Kokoity, received his passport, he opened it to find that it contained the picture of Abraham Lincoln from the $5 note instead of his own photograph."
Kind of makes you wonder huh? |
Thats just a joke. As I said before, Russia isnt just mass-printing passports and giving them out, because I surely as hell didnt get mine.
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It’s a "Sudetenland" strategy, in other words based on reunification of ethnic citizens with the mother country. Hmmmmmm... I'm sure none of this has anything to do with the fact that Russia wants it greedy little hands on the Black Sea port of Sebastopol that is vital to its shipping, that Ukraine banned Russia from using once the Georgia conflict got underway. Coincidental? Ukraine has openly offered the U.S. this week to help use an ex-soviet satellite facility as part of their european missle defense shield, after a Russian General put Poland on it's nuclear hit list too. Never underestimate the Russians man... they are a clever, kiniving bunch (trust me I live with one) and not just reacting to evils being done to them. |
Tell me how you would have handled this conflict, if you were the President of Russia. I really really want to know. We'll take it from there.
;) Unless you're a fan of ethnic cleansing and political indifference |
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