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Escalating situation in (country of) Georgia (pg. 30)
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| Krypton |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
Its like the 80's all over....
this is my fav.....
seems the Russians are Fox'n it up.... |
To be a bit fair, Russian media's response followed American declaration that Russian moves against Georgia as "act of agression", "invasion", and "in 21st century countries dont invade other countries" sort of lexicon. Plus, these came out of the mouths of such politicians as Rice, Cheney, Bush, aka the Big Three. One can only sit and wonder that Russians arent gonna respond.
And the reason why there's so much Russian belief in "conspiracy" against their country is quite simple - tell me, who the is on Russia's side? Like, seriously ... French arent even - Sarkozy is playing the game to his advantage. After all, he is the current president of the EU, based on their rotating presidency system.
When Serbia showed "terrible" act of aggression against its own province of Kosovo, we all know what ended up happening. I doubt the same end result can ever happen with South Ossetia, the current Kosovo-style victim. NATO was big and Serbia is small, too. Yet we didnt see NATO-bear criticism in the Western media. |
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| LatinLover |
| Thank god this has come to an end! |
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| The17sss |
NATO are pussies. the UN is impotent. Neither organization will actually do anything and Putin knows it.... he realized a while ago that he can do whatever he wants and nobody will do anything about it. Nice perspective here from my man Garry Kasparov (who by the way must sleep with one eye open these days) in today's paper:
"Russia's invasion of Georgia reminded me of a conversation I had three years ago in Moscow with a high-ranking European Union official. Russia was much freer then, but President Vladimir Putin's onslaught against democratic rights was already underway.
"What would it take," I asked, "for Europe to stop treating Putin like a democrat? If all opposition parties are banned? Or what if they started shooting people in the street?" The official shrugged and replied that even in such cases, there would be little the EU could do. He added: "Staying engaged will always be the best hope for the people of both Europe and Russia."
The citizens of Georgia would likely disagree. Russia's invasion was the direct result of nearly a decade of Western helplessness and delusion. Inexperienced and cautious in the international arena at the start of his reign in 2000, Mr. Putin soon learned he could get away with anything without repercussions from the EU or America.
Russia reverted to a KGB dictatorship while Mr. Putin was treated as an equal at G-8 summits. Italy's Silvio Berlusconi and Germany's Gerhardt Schroeder became Kremlin business partners. Mr. Putin discovered democratic credentials could be bought and sold just like everything else. The final confirmation was the acceptance of Dmitry Medvedev in the G-8, and on the world stage. The leaders of the Free World welcomed Mr. Putin's puppet, who had been anointed in blatantly faked elections.
On Tuesday, French President Nicolas Sarkozy sprinted to Moscow to broker a ceasefire agreement. He was allowed to go through the motions, perhaps as a reward for his congratulatory phone call to Mr. Putin after our December parliamentary "elections." But just a few months ago Mr. Sarkozy was in Moscow as a supplicant, lobbying for Renault. How much credibility does he really have in Mr. Putin's eyes?
In reality, Mr. Sarkozy is attempting to remedy a crisis he helped bring about. Last April, France opposed the American push to fast-track Georgia's North Atlantic Treaty Organization membership. This was one of many missed opportunities that collectively built up Mr. Putin's sense of impunity. In this way the G-7 nations aided and abetted the Kremlin's ambitions.
Georgia blundered into a trap, although its imprudent aggression in South Ossetia was overshadowed by Mr. Putin's desire to play the strongman. Russia seized the chance to go on the offensive in Georgian territory while playing the victim/hero. Mr. Putin has long been eager to punish Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili for his lack of respect both for Georgia's old master Russia, and for Mr. Putin personally. (Popular rumor has it that the Georgian president once mocked his peer as "Lilli-Putin.")
Although Mr. Saakashvili could hardly be called a model democrat, his embrace of Europe and the West is considered a very bad example by the Kremlin. The administrations of the Georgian breakaway areas of Abkhazia and South Ossetia are stocked, top to bottom, with bureaucrats from the Russian security services.
Throughout the conflict, the Kremlin-choreographed message in the Russian media has been one of hysteria. The news presents Russia as surrounded by enemies on all sides, near and far, and the military intervention in Georgia as essential to protect the lives and interests of Russians. It is also often spoken of as just the first step, with enclaves in Ukraine next on the menu. Attack dogs like Russian nationalist politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky are used to test and whip up public opinion. Kremlin-sponsored ultranationalist ideologue Alexander Dugin went on the radio to say Russian forces "should not stop until they are stopped." The damage done by such rhetoric is very slow to heal.
The conflict also threatens to poison Russia's relationship with Europe and America for years to come. Can such a belligerent state be trusted as the guarantor of Europe's energy supply? Republican presidential candidate John McCain has been derided for his strong stance against Mr. Putin, including a proposal to kick Russia out of the G-8. Will his critics now admit that the man they called an antiquated cold warrior was right all along?
The conventional wisdom of Russia's "invulnerability" serves as an excuse for inaction. President Bush's belatedly toughened language is welcome, but actual sanctions must now be considered. The Kremlin's ruling clique has vital interests -- i.e. assets -- abroad and those interests are vulnerable.
The blood of those killed in this conflict is on the hands of radical nationalists, thoughtless politicians, opportunistic oligarchs and the leaders of the Free World who value gas and oil more than principles. More lives will be lost unless strong moral lines are drawn to reinforce the shattered lines of the map." |
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| Magnetonium |
^^^
You outta be careful with Mr. Kasparov. He's been hanging out and touring the country with radical groups, such as the Neo-Nazi groups. I aint kidding. I'll be more than happy to provide you some photo evidence, if you wish ;) |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
LOL. Is my response as intelligent as your spelling of the word "rtesponse"? ing fag. I was agreeing with what that other person said... there was nothing extra for me to add. Your response (or lack of) is actually one of the worst in history. |
wow how typical of a true yank you are big man,trying to act all badass like your president and .You should be proud of yourself!! |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
^^^
You outta be careful with Mr. Kasparov. He's been hanging out and touring the country with radical groups, such as the Neo-Nazi groups. I aint kidding. I'll be more than happy to provide you some photo evidence, if you wish ;) |
haha no man I believe you. I just like how he is one of the few political figures that openly speaks out about Putin, damn the consequences. I'm sure he'll get some Polonium 210 in his morning coffee before long. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
wow how typical of a true yank you are big man,trying to act all badass like your president and .You should be proud of yourself!! |
What's typical... that I laughed off your weak comment about how I offered no explanation in mine? When you are agreeing with someone's statement like I was, there's no need to explain further... that's what agreement is. Why is that such a difficult concept for you to grasp? If I disagreed, then I would have offered up some analysis. Jesus man, how retarded are you? Can you conjure up a single thought without tying it to the "sinister persona" of George Bush? |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
What's typical... that I laughed off your weak comment about how I offered no explanation in mine? When you are agreeing with someone's statement like I was, there's no need to explain further... that's what agreement is. Why is that such a difficult concept for you to grasp? If I disagreed, then I would have offered up some analysis. Jesus man, how retarded are you? Can you conjure up a single thought without tying it to the "sinister persona" of George Bush? |
You dont have the brain capacity to come up with any sort of analysis.which is cool I wont judge you or anything I mean some of you yanks are just born that way anyways,with no understanding of logic or common sense and careless about the world. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
You dont have the brain capacity to come up with any sort of analysis.which is cool I wont judge you or anything I mean some of you yanks are just born that way anyways,with no understanding of logic or common sense and careless about the world. |
where is your thorough analysis of situations? it appears your best talent is the ability to dive direct questions. you are also right that americans are born without brain capacity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_by_country
notice which country has zero winners in a science, and another country that has over 200 winners in sciences.
if the world was reliant on iran for scientific advances the fastest mode of transportation would be horses. |
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| Krypton |
| Funny that Persia was the first to charter human rights to its subjects. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Funny that Persia was the first to charter human rights to its subjects. |
it's debatably whether the cyrus was even a charter of human rights, however, it is irrelevant because the iranian government and the babylonian government are not even remotely connected (other than by geography). Nevertheless, the iranians long standing tradition :rolleyes: of providing humans rights to its citizens is clearly alive and well today. |
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