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Escalating situation in (country of) Georgia (pg. 24)
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by LatinLover
Im keeping you honest, Krypton. |
"ohhhh, krypton, you coward, you don't join the military, ohhh."
You're a ing hypocrite. |
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| LatinLover |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
"ohhhh, krypton, you coward, you don't join the military, ohhh."
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Its good to know that from time to time you remind yourself of your actions. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by LatinLover
Im not discrediting your reasons. If you are trying to say that those in the military that dont pursue a college education are less than to those that do, YOU ARE COMPLETLY WRONG. There are many people with college degrees, eventhough they have a degree, are simply stupid and do stupid . There are a lot of exmaples in our society of those individuals.
What im trying to tell you is that there are certain things that a college cannot do to you. A college cant teach you how to build character, humble etc..
What Im trying to say is that the military, I believe, graduates soldiers with character, honor, loyalty, humbleness etc.. They give up personal aspirations to make sure us at home pursue ours. They make sure we mantain the lifestyle we wish to mantain, a lifestyle that they sacrifice. They make sure we pursuit happiness as w.e we perceive it. That my man is somthing that college or any degree cant teach you.
Sure Daivd patreus got an excellent education, but his education is being backed by those qualities that ive mentioned above. Those qualities IMO are the ones that define the man. Those are the qualities why our soldiers believe in him and us americans. There are other generals that might not have attended the institutions he did and are BRILLIANT. So trying to say that our soldiers in the field are not as intelligent as these individuals is plain wrong. If that was the reason our generals wouldnt believe in them. |
you make some valid points about character, however, keep in mind that some soldiers who come back still commit murders, rapes, kidnappings, and other crimes. Also, there are many that come back with alcohol addictions and psychological issues. So, just as not all college educated people are brilliant (which isn't what i was suggesting), many soldiers come back ed up and worthless to society.
in addition, i'm sick of people saying that soldiers are protecting our freedoms. From what exactly are they protecting our freedoms? This is not the twenties or forties. Noone is trying to take over america and impose its will upon our people. I know your response (or thoughts) will have something to do with terrorists in afghanistan, but that is a weak argument. You will say that soldiers are fighting in afghanistan so the fight doesn't come to america. Well, if american soldiers weren't in the middle east to begin with terrorist attacks wouldn't even be an issue in this country. Our freedoms aren't being attacked by terrorist, they are actually currently being attacked by our government. Terrorists don't care whether we have freedom of speech, freedom of press, etc.... While their objective may be to take away the ultimate freedom, life, they are doing it with a clear objective: to force americans out of the middle east. They are not trying to take over the US and force it to become a muslim nation. Just like a burglar isn't trying to take away your freedom, terrorists aren't trying to take away america's freedoms. |
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| HardTranceProd |
Can someone tell me what this ridiculous is smoking?
He's wildly exaggerating his claims and embarassing his allies (the US), who are now forced to deny reports they have any intention of helping militarily, which the Pentagon did today.
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President Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia, who has appeared repeatedly on Western television during the days of conflict with Russia, made frantic and apparently overstated warnings on Wednesday that Russian troops were poised to enter the Georgian capital, Tbilisi.
In an interview on CNN, the Georgian president said the Russians “are closing on the capital, circling,” with the intention of establishing their own government.
“We will protect our capital with our last drop of our blood,” he said. “We will never surrender.”
But he also blamed the West for not intervening more forcefully, nearly a week after hostilities broke out between Georgia and its much larger neighbor.
“Frankly, my people feel let down by the West,” he said.
Mr. Saakashvili spoke amid much confusion on the ground. Early on Wednesday, Georgia and Russia agreed to a cease-fire that apparently called for the troops of both sides to pull back to positions occupied before fighting broke out last week.
But the exact details of the pact remained unclear, and Russian troops appeared to be controlling access to the central city of Gori, which is outside of the disputed South Ossetia and only 40 miles from Tbilisi. Moreover, a column of Russian troops had been reported to be heading toward the capital on Wednesday before pulling off the road.
Asked about the cease-fire, Mr. Saakashvili said the Russians “never meant a cease-fire.”
“This is the kind of cease-fire they had in Afghanistan,” he added.
“They even steal toilet seats, I’ve been hearing,” he said.
He made repeated references not only to the Soviet Union’s war in Afghanistan in the 1970s, but also to the invasion Prague in 1968 and even repeated references to the German invasion of Poland before the start of World War II.
As for how he planned to halt the formidable Russian forces if they indeed headed toward Tbilisi, he said, “This will not be only Georgian troops” but an “all-out defense.”
“Freedom is worth fighting for,” he said, adding that his country was doing this “not only for us but for the rest of Europe.”
Asked if the White House was doing enough, he said: “I just spoke to President Bush. Frankly, some of the first statements were seen as a green light for Russia. They were kind of soft.”
He said, “Georgia is the first test case.”
He said the United State should be doing more. “We should realize what is at stake for America; America is losing the whole region,” he said.
“Who else can stand up for liberty in the world?”
As for reports that he was warned not to instigate a conflict by sending troops to South Ossetia, Mr. Saakashvili said angrily: “I’m sickened of this cynical and unfounded allegation. Our troops were always there. It’s our territory. They’re killing our people.”
He dismissed allegations that Georgia started the fighting. “How can we attack Russia?” he asked. “That’s the ludicrous thing.”
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| Moongoose |
| Im just waiting for how long it takes for the media to realise that the man exaggerates and lies every time he opens his mouth, and stop inviting him to give interviews. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by LatinLover
Its good to know that from time to time you remind yourself of your actions. |
like calling out your hypocritical bull?
Here's the website... www.army.mil
join up or shut the up.. |
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| Magnetonium |
Bwahahahahaha ... LMAO! I actually read that in the Russian media, but completely ignored it because I thought they were just insane. Now it seems like they indeed are fake. WOW, just WOW ... imagine what else they might have "faked" in Gori ... I can only imagine that the actual damage in those fake photos was caused by Russian bombardment ... OR ... :disbelief |
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| HardTranceProd |
Putin's Mastery Checkmates The West
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/co...icle4525885.ece
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The cartoon images have shown Russia as an angry bear, stretching out a claw to maul Georgia. Russia is certainly angry, and, like a beast provoked, has bared its teeth. But it is the wrong stereotype. What the world has seen last week is a brilliant and brutal display of Russia's national game, chess. And Moscow has just declared checkmate.
Chess is a slow game. One has to be ready to ignore provocations, lose a few pawns and turn the hubris of others into their own entrapment. For years there has been rising resentment within Russia. Some of this is inevitable: the loss of empire, a burning sense of grievance and the fear that in the 1990s, amid domestic chaos and economic collapse, Russia's views no longer mattered.
Big powers do not like other big powers poaching. This may not be moral or fair but it is reality, and one that underpins the Security Council veto. The Monroe Doctrine - “hands off the Americas” - has been policy in Washington for 200 years. The US is ready to risk war to keep out not only other powers but hostile ideologies - in Cuba and Nicaragua.
Vladimir Putin lost several pawns on the chessboard - Kosovo, Iraq, Nato membership for the Baltic states, US renunciation of the ABM treaty, US missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic. But he waited.
The trap was set in Georgia. When President Saakashvili blundered into South Ossetia, sending in an army to shell, kill and maim on a vicious scale (against US advice and his promised word), Russia was waiting.
The attack was short, sharp and deadly - enough to send the Georgians fleeing in humiliating panic, their rout captured by global television. The destruction was enough to hurt, but not so much that the world would be roused in fury. The timing of the ceasefire was precise: just hours before President Sarkozy could voice Western anger. Moscow made clear that it retained the initiative. And despite sporadic breaches - on both sides - Russia has blunted Georgian charges that this is a war of annihilation.
Moscow can also counter Georgian PR, the last weapon left to Tbilisi. Human rights? Look at what Georgia has done in South Ossetia (and also in Abkhazia). National sovereignty? Look at the detachment of Kosovo from Serbia. False pretexts? Look at Ronald Reagan's invasion of Grenada to “rescue” US medical students. Western outrage? Look at the confused cacophony.
There are lessons everywhere. To the former Soviet republics - remember your geography. To Nato - do you still want to incorporate Caucasian vendettas into your alliance? To Tbilisi - do you want to keep a President who brought this on you? To Washington - does Russia's voice still count for nothing? Like it or not, it counts for a lot. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by HardTranceProd
Putin's Mastery Checkmates The West
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/co...icle4525885.ece
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The cartoon images have shown Russia as an angry bear, stretching out a claw to maul Georgia. Russia is certainly angry, and, like a beast provoked, has bared its teeth. But it is the wrong stereotype. What the world has seen last week is a brilliant and brutal display of Russia's national game, chess. And Moscow has just declared checkmate.
Chess is a slow game. One has to be ready to ignore provocations, lose a few pawns and turn the hubris of others into their own entrapment. For years there has been rising resentment within Russia. Some of this is inevitable: the loss of empire, a burning sense of grievance and the fear that in the 1990s, amid domestic chaos and economic collapse, Russia's views no longer mattered.
Big powers do not like other big powers poaching. This may not be moral or fair but it is reality, and one that underpins the Security Council veto. The Monroe Doctrine - “hands off the Americas” - has been policy in Washington for 200 years. The US is ready to risk war to keep out not only other powers but hostile ideologies - in Cuba and Nicaragua.
Vladimir Putin lost several pawns on the chessboard - Kosovo, Iraq, Nato membership for the Baltic states, US renunciation of the ABM treaty, US missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic. But he waited.
The trap was set in Georgia. When President Saakashvili blundered into South Ossetia, sending in an army to shell, kill and maim on a vicious scale (against US advice and his promised word), Russia was waiting.
The attack was short, sharp and deadly - enough to send the Georgians fleeing in humiliating panic, their rout captured by global television. The destruction was enough to hurt, but not so much that the world would be roused in fury. The timing of the ceasefire was precise: just hours before President Sarkozy could voice Western anger. Moscow made clear that it retained the initiative. And despite sporadic breaches - on both sides - Russia has blunted Georgian charges that this is a war of annihilation.
Moscow can also counter Georgian PR, the last weapon left to Tbilisi. Human rights? Look at what Georgia has done in South Ossetia (and also in Abkhazia). National sovereignty? Look at the detachment of Kosovo from Serbia. False pretexts? Look at Ronald Reagan's invasion of Grenada to “rescue” US medical students. Western outrage? Look at the confused cacophony.
There are lessons everywhere. To the former Soviet republics - remember your geography. To Nato - do you still want to incorporate Caucasian vendettas into your alliance? To Tbilisi - do you want to keep a President who brought this on you? To Washington - does Russia's voice still count for nothing? Like it or not, it counts for a lot. |
georgia is hardly the king in a game of chess. Georgia would marginally be considered a knight, and more likely considered a pawn. |
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| Magnetonium |
HardTranceProd, despite the article's clever writing, Russia has not achieved anything. South Ossetia will still live under Georgian territorial brunt. Saakashvilli is still in power. South Ossetia, Russian troops and military, peacekeepers, civilians - were killed and injured, entire province is annihilated and the world is pissed off at Russia. So what has Russia gained again? Status quo? At what price? Lemme guess - they showed the West that Russia is no longer a pushover. Ok, great! I wonder how much benefit that's gonna serve ...
Georgia is a small, weak, fragmented country. Russian military success over it is not a sign that Russian military is back and strong. This was no contest. Like, seriously, I cant see any positives out of this conflict for Russia. Morale booster for Russian nationalists? Pfft ... Unless you can suggest some others to me ...
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
georgia is hardly the king in a game of chess. Georgia would marginally be considered a knight, and more likely considered a pawn. |
Georgia's a pawn which thinks it can go against a queen. |
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| LatinLover |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
like calling out your hypocritical bull?
Here's the website... www.army.mil
join up or shut the up.. |
I dont want too put you into shame by having the manhood to join and you lacking it. |
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