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| Special K |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
lol right
Japan was a huge threat
considering that if the Japanese didn't attack, the Americans wouldn't mobilize
please continue :) |
yea the Japanese were total minnows in the world at this time. I guess that is how you would explain them defeating the Russians at war a little over a quarter century prior to WWII. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Special K
yea the Japanese were total minnows in the world at this time. I guess that is how you would explain them defeating the Russians at war a little over a quarter century prior to WWII. |
let's all stick to WW2 for now - next thing we know, we're moving to 1700's |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
Considered by who? Where is your source for this claim?
Point me to one historian who claims,categorically as you do, that if Japan didn't attack, then America would not have joined the war. |
I'm pretty sure this is the only fact that every should be agreeing on - IF Japan did not attack Pearl Harbour, US would have not declared the war in '41 (at least that early). And it took them 2 years to finally join the combat on the continenet (January 1943). |
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| Special K |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
let's all stick to WW2 for now - next thing we know, we're moving to 1700's |
Listen, the point is that the Japanese were anything but pushovers from about 1905 and onwards. In fact they were major players on the global scene and they had substantial military might. Thus, for you to downplay the Japanese as a non-threat is simply asinine. Sorry.
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
I'm pretty sure this is the only fact that every should be agreeing on - IF Japan did not attack Pearl Harbour, US would have not declared the war in '41 (at least that early). And it took them 2 years to finally join the combat on the continenet (January 1943). |
In the leadup to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor the US was ready and waiting to declare war on the Axis powers. They (US Government) were actually looking for an "excuse" to get involved in the war. It was the American people that initially did not want to have any involvement in another war overseas. So they needed to be sold on going to war. And that is where Pearl Harbor comes into play.
There are countless documents and sources that point to American knowledge of the Japanese plans @ Pearl Harbor. They did not act on this information however, because they wanted to be attacked which would in turn allow them to "enter the war" on just grounds in the eyes of the American public. |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
I'm pretty sure this is the only fact that every should be agreeing on - IF Japan did not attack Pearl Harbour, US would have not declared the war in '41 (at least that early). And it took them 2 years to finally join the combat on the continenet (January 1943). |
LOL what fact?
If this is such a fact, then why can't you point me to one, JUST ONE, historian who can substantiate this so-called fact?
Also, I like how you weakened your original position from
| quote: | | if the Japanese didn't attack, the Americans wouldn't mobilize |
to
| quote: | | US would have not declared the war in '41 (at least that early) |
It's a nice try. But you're still dead wrong. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
LOL what fact?
If this is such a fact, then why can't you point me to one, JUST ONE, historian who can substantiate this so-called fact? |
educate me then! please explain what would have happened if Japanese never attacked Pearl Harbour? would the US have joined the Brits and move onto the continental combat?
| quote: | Originally posted by Special K
In the leadup to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor the US was ready and waiting to declare war on the Axis powers. |
I'm sorry but to me that just sounds that they were waiting to decide whose side to join, hence why I mentioned how they only joined in the continental combat in '43. If you look at the timeline, prior that they have not done much. But as soon as 1943 kicked in, it was game time for them - May 12 1943 North Africa with the Brits, July'43 - Sicily, September'43 - Italy.
I wonder where were they when Stalingrad was almost destroyed.. |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
educate me then! please explain what would have happened if Japanese never attacked Pearl Harbour? would the US have joined the Brits and move onto the continental combat?
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Yes.
You can read all about it in a 6-volume series titled The Second World War. It was written by a person who I believe can speak on the topic with some authority; a fella' named Winston Churchill.
You'll find plenty of information to educate yourself on WWII in there. And if you want to learn more, then go read the authors I suggested to geroin. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
Yes.
You can read all about it in a 6-volume series titled The Second World War. It was written by a person who I believe can speak on the topic with some authority; a fella' named Winston Churchill.
You'll find plenty of information to educate yourself on WWII in there. And if you want to learn more, then go read the authors I suggested to geroin. |
thanks!
I hope those sources are as un-biased as possible though.. |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
thanks!
I hope those sources are as un-biased as possible though.. |
As un-biased as any history book. :toothless |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
As un-biased as any history book. :toothless |
alright! :) |
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| LightsOut |
^^
another good book to read to get some valuable insight, from a German perspective, is the Goebbels Diaries (Hitler's Minister of Propaganda). |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
If you look at the timeline, prior that they have not done much. But as soon as 1943 kicked in, it was game time for them - May 12 1943 North Africa with the Brits, July'43 - Sicily, September'43 - Italy.
I wonder where were they when Stalingrad was almost destroyed.. |
They were busy fighting the Japanese...
Alone...
And I don't think they gave a rat's ass about Stalingrad...
Until Pearl Harbor, the people didn't think it was worth entering another combat arena that wasn't local...
They said they wouldn't after the American lives lost in WW1... |
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